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    Hi all,

    I've been searching the internet for information on steroids and I came across this site. It is quite detailed documented and organized, so it is easy to navigate and find a specific information. I am opening this thread because I would like to develop my first cycle with injectable steroids. First I will lay down some facts about me.

    Here are some of my statistics:
    Age: 33
    Height: 189cm
    Weight: cca 205lbs
    Bodyfat: cca 13-15%

    - I've been training in the gym for about 7-8 years (started 2009).

    - In my time, I've been on 2 oral steroid cycles (both in 2012). I can't remember the dosages, but I know they were very low, as I was advised from my friend. I did not do any research at that time. I also don't recall any side-effects (nether mid or post cycle):
    1st cycle: Winstrol, Oral-turinabol
    2nd cycle: Winstrol,Oral-turinabol and clen-buterol

    After 2012, I haven't been on any steroid cycle anymore. My goal right now is to gain some solid muscle. I see some progress now too, but it's very slow.

    My current diet is customized for cutting. It is a low-carb diet with occasional refeed (once every 1-2 weeks). When I was bulking it was similar, expect with higher amount of CARBS (mostly around my workout) and also more FAT.
    My current training routine is split: legs, back, shoulders+biceps, chest+triceps. Every few days I also do core work (abs, lower back, side abs, glutes) and cardio. I was around 216lbs in winter when I was bulking, I now I've dieted down to 205lbs.

    My future plan is to cut a little bit more, but not to go below 200lbs. Here is where I want to go on a cycle to gain some clean mass. I think my best option would be test enanthate and a standard PCT. I will post a sample plan soon. If you already have any suggestions/remarks, please feel free to comment.

  • #2
    Originally posted by Theone2005 View Post
    Hi all,

    I've been searching the internet for information on steroids and I came across this site. It is quite detailed documented and organized, so it is easy to navigate and find a specific information. I am opening this thread because I would like to develop my first cycle with injectable steroids. First I will lay down some facts about me.

    Here are some of my statistics:
    Age: 33
    Height: 189cm
    Weight: cca 205lbs
    Bodyfat: cca 13-15%

    - I've been training in the gym for about 7-8 years (started 2009).

    - In my time, I've been on 2 oral steroid cycles (both in 2012). I can't remember the dosages, but I know they were very low, as I was advised from my friend. I did not do any research at that time. I also don't recall any side-effects (nether mid or post cycle):
    1st cycle: Winstrol, Oral-turinabol
    2nd cycle: Winstrol,Oral-turinabol and clen-buterol

    After 2012, I haven't been on any steroid cycle anymore. My goal right now is to gain some solid muscle. I see some progress now too, but it's very slow.

    My current diet is customized for cutting. It is a low-carb diet with occasional refeed (once every 1-2 weeks). When I was bulking it was similar, expect with higher amount of CARBS (mostly around my workout) and also more FAT.
    My current training routine is split: legs, back, shoulders+biceps, chest+triceps. Every few days I also do core work (abs, lower back, side abs, glutes) and cardio. I was around 216lbs in winter when I was bulking, I now I've dieted down to 205lbs.

    My future plan is to cut a little bit more, but not to go below 200lbs. Here is where I want to go on a cycle to gain some clean mass. I think my best option would be test enanthate and a standard PCT. I will post a sample plan soon. If you already have any suggestions/remarks, please feel free to comment.
    Firstly, welcome to Steroidal.com.

    Second, well done for doing our research, you seem to have read a lot.

    Third, what are your goals? You cannot really add mass and cut.

    A Test based steroid would be advised here. I'd suggest Test Prop for 6-8 weeks with perhaps Anavar at 60mg/ED, 0.5mg Adex 3x week and HCG 500ius twice per week. Test Prop or Phenylpropionate injected EOD or 3x per week.

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    • #3
      Sorry for not pointing out my goals clearly. My goal (and also the reason for a cycle) is definitely to mass. I will soon stop my current cutting phase and also change my diet to provide a caloric sufficit and here is where I want to include steroids. .

      I roughly remember now what my dosages were on those 2 cycles.I think it was 8 week cycle both times (without PCT). I started with 20mg ED doses and then raised to 40mg. I can't remember if I upped to 60 somewhere, not sure:
      1st: 40mg Winstrol ED, 40mg Tbo ED (8 weeks) results...gained a lot of weight and strength (around 30lbs). I got a little carried away with my diet (very high caloric sufficit) so it was lots of water weight and fat. When I went off cycle, I also lost almost all that weight and also strength.
      2nd: 40mg Winstrol ED, 40mg Tbol ED, 60mg clenbuterol ED (also 8 weeks) .. Here my diet was better. I was doing carb cycling and it worked pretty good. I was in good shape in the end, but lacking muscle. I was about 190lbs with 12%BF

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Admin View Post
        Firstly, welcome to Steroidal.com.

        Second, well done for doing our research, you seem to have read a lot.

        Third, what are your goals? You cannot really add mass and cut.

        A Test based steroid would be advised here. I'd suggest Test Prop for 6-8 weeks with perhaps Anavar at 60mg/ED, 0.5mg Adex 3x week and HCG 500ius twice per week. Test Prop or Phenylpropionate injected EOD or 3x per week.

        I have a few questions:
        - If I would use Anavar 60mg/ED, how much Test Prop?
        - Could I use Enanthat instead of Propionate?
        - Can I Mix HCG and Test into 1 injection?

        PCT should be standard? 6weeks for example:
        20mg nolva/ED
        25mg clomid/ED

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Theone2005 View Post
          I have a few questions:
          - If I would use Anavar 60mg/ED, how much Test Prop?
          - Could I use Enanthat instead of Propionate?
          - Can I Mix HCG and Test into 1 injection?

          PCT should be standard? 6weeks for example:
          20mg nolva/ED
          25mg clomid/ED
          1. Test Prop 100mg/EOD or 100mg 3x week M/W/F.

          2. Yes, but that means your cycle needs to be 10-12 weeks.

          3. Yes, but I inject HCG subq into the stomach fat. AAS are injected IM.

          4. PCT looks good, but do 50mg/ED Clomid first 1 week and 40mg/ED Tamox.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Admin View Post
            1. Test Prop 100mg/EOD or 100mg 3x week M/W/F.

            2. Yes, but that means your cycle needs to be 10-12 weeks.

            3. Yes, but I inject HCG subq into the stomach fat. AAS are injected IM.

            4. PCT looks good, but do 50mg/ED Clomid first 1 week and 40mg/ED Tamox.
            - that means 300mg test + 420mg Anavar weekly. What should I expect from this cycle in terms of sides and gains?
            - Is there any difference in effects if you inject HCG simultaneously with AAS IM instead seperately HCG into stomach fat?
            - so only 1st week 50mg ClomidED + 40mg Tamox/ED, after that 20mg tamox/ED + 25mg Clomid/ED ?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Theone2005 View Post
              - that means 300mg test + 420mg Anavar weekly. What should I expect from this cycle in terms of sides and gains?
              - Is there any difference in effects if you inject HCG simultaneously with AAS IM instead seperately HCG into stomach fat?
              - so only 1st week 50mg ClomidED + 40mg Tamox/ED, after that 20mg tamox/ED + 25mg Clomid/ED ?
              Yes. Depends on diet and training. Most of your grans will come from you diet. AAS are just like supplements.

              No.

              Yes.

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              • #8
                So basically my cycle should look like this?
                week 1-8: Test propionat 100mg M/W/F, Anavar 60mg ED
                *Adex 0.5mg M/W/F or Aromasin 10mg/ED
                *HCG 500ius M/F

                week 9: 50mg Clomid ED, 40mg Nolva/ED
                week 10-15: 25mg Clomid ED, 20mg Nolva/ED


                Any suggestions regarding training and diet when on-cycle compared to how I usually do it? Should I increase any training volume or food calories?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Theone2005 View Post
                  So basically my cycle should look like this?
                  week 1-8: Test propionat 100mg M/W/F, Anavar 60mg ED
                  *Adex 0.5mg M/W/F or Aromasin 10mg/ED
                  *HCG 500ius M/F

                  week 9: 50mg Clomid ED, 40mg Nolva/ED
                  week 10-15: 25mg Clomid ED, 20mg Nolva/ED


                  Any suggestions regarding training and diet when on-cycle compared to how I usually do it? Should I increase any training volume or food calories?
                  I train Fortitude Training. Google it and buy the ebook PDF. I have got the most gains ever from this and advise it as a training protocol.

                  Yes, absolutely increase calories to build muscle. You must progress in calories every few weeks or when muscle growth and/or weight stops going up.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Admin View Post
                    I train Fortitude Training. Google it and buy the ebook PDF. I have got the most gains ever from this and advise it as a training protocol.

                    Yes, absolutely increase calories to build muscle. You must progress in calories every few weeks or when muscle growth and/or weight stops going up.
                    I'm unfamiliar with fortitude training. I'll look into this myself!

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                    • #11
                      I'm sorry I'm late here OP. And sorry to Admin as well for slacking. I've had some tragedy since February and I can't get out of this hole. I'm trying to catch up on this thread. Stick around Theone2005! Glad you joined us!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by warmouth View Post
                        I'm sorry I'm late here OP. And sorry to Admin as well for slacking. I've had some tragedy since February and I can't get out of this hole. I'm trying to catch up on this thread. Stick around Theone2005! Glad you joined us!
                        No apologises needed, hope you're cool

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                        • #13
                          Hi all,


                          I'm still here! In the meantime, I caught up with an old fitness friend, who proposed me with a cycle of propionate, HgH and winstrol. Depending on the impact HgH will have on me, I will probably stick to it even after I finish this propionate cycle.
                          However after 3 weeks, I will be traveling for 3-4 days and those days I won't be able to train or use HgH (since I know it has to be refrigerated all the time).

                          What do you think would be best? Should I start cycle right away and take those 4 days completely off (no training and HgH injections) or should I postpone the cycle and start when I return from the trip?

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                          • #14
                            4 days off isn't; going to have much impact. Its not ideal, but continue with your diet or increase calories on these 4 off days and you will be fine.

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                            • #15
                              So last week I started my test cycle. It's been 1 month now also since I started using gH.

                              So currently 2nd week of my 8week test cycle, which looks like this:
                              - 100mg TEST prop EOD
                              - 60mg Winstrol EOD
                              - 1.5iu ED GH Genotropin
                              - 0.5mg Arimidex EOD



                              My questions:
                              - I gained almost 2kg in first week, I assume this is water weight? Should I try to stay as lean as possible while on cycle and keep my calories limited? So far, I added a bit more carbs and protein in regards to my cutting diet before cycle
                              - I am considering fortitude training. Right now I train almost everything by the way I feel. My split is: chest-back-legs-shoulders-arms. Should I keep my current regime or switch to fortitude while on cycle?
                              - End of august (it will be my 5-6 week) I plan to go to summer holiday for 7 days. What would be suggested regarding my cycle? Can I pause it (no pinning while on holiday) and extend it when I return?

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