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    Favorite insulin!??

    My favorite is apidra. It just hits so much faster and harder than the others. Novolog falls second and humalog third. For me, even IM humalog wouldn't peak until around 2hrs. Where as apidra would hit me right at 60min

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    Quote Originally Posted by OnTheSauce View Post
    My favorite is apidra. It just hits so much faster and harder than the others. Novolog falls second and humalog third. For me, even IM humalog wouldn't peak until around 2hrs. Where as apidra would hit me right at 60min
    What are the gains in lean body mass like on Slin?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OnTheSauce View Post
    My favorite is apidra. It just hits so much faster and harder than the others. Novolog falls second and humalog third. For me, even IM humalog wouldn't peak until around 2hrs. Where as apidra would hit me right at 60min
    I like Apidra too, and novolog pretty much the same. Humalog is what I'm using now since that's what my insurance company wanted to cover. I do most of my insulin IM an typically feel the peak after about an hour and a half or two hours. Got low during my workout last night, I guess I wasn't drinking my gatorade quickly enough. Had to sit down and sip it and wait for the carbs to hit the bloodstream.



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    What are the gains in lean body mass like on Slin?
    Slin can really help pile on the weight, but on it's own it's equally anabolic for both muscle and fat tissue. It pairs well with GH because GH will help with keeping lean, while insulin will basically stop any and all tissue breakdown.

    With the right diet and other drugs in your protocol, insulin can be very helpful. I wouldn't be surprised if one could gain ten or more pounds per month in the first few months of insulin use.
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    I gained 6lbs my first month but it's been much slower since. I have stayed lean. If you want to stay lean, you have to eat the right foods and the right amounts during your window

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    Humulin-R is by far my favorite. Longer active life so I'm anabolic that much longer. Humalog just spiked too high and wasn't in there long enough to do much good, in my opinion. Gained more on humulin-r in 2 months than I did in 4-5 with humalog.

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    Sounds like you weren't eating enough during the active window

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bull View Post
    Humulin-R is by far my favorite. Longer active life so I'm anabolic that much longer. Humalog just spiked too high and wasn't in there long enough to do much good, in my opinion. Gained more on humulin-r in 2 months than I did in 4-5 with humalog.
    The biggest advantage of Humalin-R is that you can purchase it without a prescription, just the way all these drugs should be.

    The R types of insulin take about 8 hours to clear all the way and about 2 hours before they peak. The peak activity window stays open longer too, almost 3 hours. There are definitely some advantages to that, you can take a fat shot 30 mins or so pre-workout and then lift and drink carbs and then it'll likely still be going when you're hitting the post-workout meal.

    I think the drawback is that the bigger that window of insulin activity is that the more fats you'll eat during this time, and the longer you'll be in an anabolic state for your fat cells as well (insulin preventing the breakdown of fats). Although depending on what else you're on, it may not be a huge concern.

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    And the fact your body won't be producing its own insulin. I'll stay shutdown as little as possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OnTheSauce View Post
    Sounds like you weren't eating enough during the active window
    I was eating plenty. You can only digest and use so much at a time.

    Quote Originally Posted by jasona View Post
    The biggest advantage of Humalin-R is that you can purchase it without a prescription, just the way all these drugs should be.

    The R types of insulin take about 8 hours to clear all the way and about 2 hours before they peak. The peak activity window stays open longer too, almost 3 hours. There are definitely some advantages to that, you can take a fat shot 30 mins or so pre-workout and then lift and drink carbs and then it'll likely still be going when you're hitting the post-workout meal.

    I think the drawback is that the bigger that window of insulin activity is that the more fats you'll eat during this time, and the longer you'll be in an anabolic state for your fat cells as well (insulin preventing the breakdown of fats). Although depending on what else you're on, it may not be a huge concern.
    I'll take a little extra fat gain for more size gains. Daily cardio helps with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bull View Post
    I was eating plenty. You can only digest and use so much at a time.
    To that end, having a longer-acting insulin extends that window a bit by having a longer peak and longer duration of use.

    What's your insulin protocol like with humalin-R/novolin-R? When were you injecting, how many units, and what would you eat to counterbalance the glucose-lowering effects of the humalin R?

    Further, how did your insulin protocol differ between using humalin-R and humalog? Were there any other variables that might have affected your success with an R-type insulin?

    This could really turn into an educational discussion for all of us!

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    You aren't gaining weight = you aren't eating enough

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    Quote Originally Posted by OnTheSauce View Post
    You aren't gaining weight = you aren't eating enough
    Let me add "from the humalog".

    Quote Originally Posted by jasona View Post
    To that end, having a longer-acting insulin extends that window a bit by having a longer peak and longer duration of use.

    What's your insulin protocol like with humalin-R/novolin-R? When were you injecting, how many units, and what would you eat to counterbalance the glucose-lowering effects of the humalin R?

    Further, how did your insulin protocol differ between using humalin-R and humalog? Were there any other variables that might have affected your success with an R-type insulin?

    This could really turn into an educational discussion for all of us!
    I'm very experienced with both of these types of insulin. Humalog just did little for me in comparison to Humulin-R.

    When I was using humalog, the highest I was up to was 14 iu pre workout. 10 minutes before my workout I had my shot, along with 4g/iu sugar, bcaas, creatine, and glutamine. Sugar source was usually dextrose. Intra workout, was 8g/iu dextrose, bcaas, creatine, and glutamine. Post workout was the same except a lot less dextrose, and whey added. Low fat, high carb meals pre and post workout, as always.

    Currently with humulin-r, at 13 iu 85 minutes before training. Meal consisting of: 96g carbs (14 simple), 40g protein, 5g fat and a banana which I don't weigh/count. 15 minutes pre workout, shake with 35g dextrose, bcaas, creatine, glutamine. Intra, same shake. Post, same with a little less sugar and whey added. Meal as soon as I get home with 90g carbs.

    Far better results with humulin-r. Humalog was just a stepping stone to get to the real thing, humulin-r. Considering an even longer acting slin, but my days are just too short for that right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bull View Post
    Let me add "from the humalog".



    I'm very experienced with both of these types of insulin. Humalog just did little for me in comparison to Humulin-R.

    When I was using humalog, the highest I was up to was 14 iu pre workout. 10 minutes before my workout I had my shot, along with 4g/iu sugar, bcaas, creatine, and glutamine. Sugar source was usually dextrose. Intra workout, was 8g/iu dextrose, bcaas, creatine, and glutamine. Post workout was the same except a lot less dextrose, and whey added. Low fat, high carb meals pre and post workout, as always.

    Currently with humulin-r, at 13 iu 85 minutes before training. Meal consisting of: 96g carbs (14 simple), 40g protein, 5g fat and a banana which I don't weigh/count. 15 minutes pre workout, shake with 35g dextrose, bcaas, creatine, glutamine. Intra, same shake. Post, same with a little less sugar and whey added. Meal as soon as I get home with 90g carbs.

    Far better results with humulin-r. Humalog was just a stepping stone to get to the real thing, humulin-r. Considering an even longer acting slin, but my days are just too short for that right now.
    Thanks for that detailed response man.

    For the sake of conversation, when you say a longer acting slin than humalin-r, are you thinking an NPH insulin? Those last at least 12 hours and peak much further in. I'm using an NPH now in the morning and before bed, and it'll peak while I'm sleeping around 4-5 am. I've awoken a few times with the distinctive hypoglycemic feeling and had to drink some carbs.

    Best mix of slins I've ever had was Levemir + Novolin NPH + Novolin R + Humalog. That was such an awesome combo because no matter what the scenario, I had the slin for it. My blood sugars were fuking dope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jasona View Post
    Thanks for that detailed response man.

    For the sake of conversation, when you say a longer acting slin than humalin-r, are you thinking an NPH insulin? Those last at least 12 hours and peak much further in. I'm using an NPH now in the morning and before bed, and it'll peak while I'm sleeping around 4-5 am. I've awoken a few times with the distinctive hypoglycemic feeling and had to drink some carbs.

    Best mix of slins I've ever had was Levemir + Novolin NPH + Novolin R + Humalog. That was such an awesome combo because no matter what the scenario, I had the slin for it. My blood sugars were fuking dope.
    Yessir I was thinking NPH.
    I've never even heard of Novolin or Levemir. I suppose we may have different brands up here in Canada though. Did you notice any insulin resistance using all those? I eat the majority of my carbs in the am, and around when I train, giving me a few meals in the PM that are carb free to help with the sensitivity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bull View Post
    Yessir I was thinking NPH.
    I've never even heard of Novolin or Levemir. I suppose we may have different brands up here in Canada though. Did you notice any insulin resistance using all those? I eat the majority of my carbs in the am, and around when I train, giving me a few meals in the PM that are carb free to help with the sensitivity.
    I am a type 1 diabetic, so I have to use insulin anyway. So nah, even with all that shit, no insulin resistance noticed.

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    Ok guys. Now yall say this is legal to purhase in the US, but how? Ive wanted to try this one day, but am terrified by it due to it seeming very complicated with all the timing of meals, carbs, etc. It seems nothing is more anabolic and alot can be expected Iin just 4 weeks. However, if thisnis legal for purchase here in the US, do you not have to be somewhat insulin dependant and have a script?

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    Quote Originally Posted by warmouth View Post
    Ok guys. Now yall say this is legal to purhase in the US, but how? Ive wanted to try this one day, but am terrified by it due to it seeming very complicated with all the timing of meals, carbs, etc. It seems nothing is more anabolic and alot can be expected Iin just 4 weeks. However, if thisnis legal for purchase here in the US, do you not have to be somewhat insulin dependant and have a script?
    Not sure if this is any help as I live in Canada... but I was doing some traveling and forgot my Humulin-R at home. I simply went to a pharmacy and told them I'm travelling and forgot it at home. Bought a new vial right there.

    Edit: Also, you can order it online too.

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    We can get humilin r OTC at Walmart here in the US

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    Reminds me... We need an Insulin profile here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OnTheSauce View Post
    We can get humilin r OTC at Walmart here in the US
    WHAT! Are you for real? Does this vary state to state? And is humilin r legit stuff? I know I've been rejected just for trying to purchase slin pins on several occasions.
    And Admin, you're right!

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    Quote Originally Posted by warmouth View Post
    WHAT! Are you for real? Does this vary state to state? And is humilin r legit stuff? I know I've been rejected just for trying to purchase slin pins on several occasions.
    And Admin, you're right!
    This does NOT vary by state. Humalin R is very legit, as a diabetic, I use it every day.

    As for pins, legality does vary by state, which is just plain retarded. And even in a state where they're legal, it's up to the pharmacist if he/she wants to sell them to you without a script. Many larger chains (Walmart, for one) have blanket corporate policies that prevent their employees from selling pins without a prescription, even in states where a prescription isn't necessary. In New Hampshire, where I do my shopping, it is legal to buy/sell pins without a prescription. However, Walmart will not sell the pins due to corporate policy. They WILL sell me and anyone else a vial of insulin though.

    I suppose the logic is that if you're a hard drug user, you're probably going to want pins, and you won't likely care much about insulin. That makes sense I guess. But the irony is that the insulin itself is still WAY more dangerous than the pins they won't sell me. 2-3 cc's of Humalin R to the quad and in 3 hours you're comatose, if not dead. You could kill yourself or at least fry your brain (due to lack of glucose leading to brain damage) several times over with a single $25 vial of slin. Of course, it's a terrible way to try to kill yourself, HIGHLY unreliable. So no one tries to commit suicide via insulin overdose leading to deadly hypoglycemia. Making insulin a very safe drug to use as long as one covers one's bases.

    I'm not upset that insulin is available over the counter, I'm pissed that the whole friggin drug world isn't like that. At least for drugs that are non-habit forming and do not cause people to get intoxicated. Very silly that I can easily buy the DRUG insulin, but I have to make phone calls and fax prescriptions to obtain the CARRIERS of that drug into my body.

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    I am blown away by this news. Im just going to walk up to the counter and ask for humalin r then. Hopefully its all good, lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by warmouth View Post
    I am blown away by this news. Im just going to walk up to the counter and ask for humalin r then. Hopefully its all good, lol.
    Let us know how it goes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by warmouth View Post
    I am blown away by this news. Im just going to walk up to the counter and ask for humalin r then. Hopefully its all good, lol.
    Just be cool!! If they seem like they're on to you, bust out the AK you brought with you and light that bitch up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jasona View Post
    Just be cool!! If they seem like they're on to you, bust out the AK you brought with you and light that bitch up.
    Lol! Jasona, how do you feel about using humalin r for a recomp? Is it better used off season during the bulking stage? I just dont want to add fat, and I am being strict as to how and what I eat now just because I have about 3% of fat left to lose. What say you.....

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    By the way, I'm using tren, var, and mast at the moment. Maybe slin would be a good bridging agent?

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    Very diet dependent. I'll be using slin while cutting, but I'll also be on higher carbs than most. I think it can be a good tool. But I wouldn't suggest it for first time. Use it while bulking and get familiar with it and your body first

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    Picked up a vial of novolin r tonight just for you warmouth.

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