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    Helping someone "Boost" without TRT

    I have friend who seems adimant he is in need of TRT. I have mentioned that TRT needs to be a last resort, especially with him being 31 and trying to have kids. He has been trying to have kids for almost 2 years with no luck. He just got BW results back in yesterday and his total test was 450, out of the basic 300-1100 scale. I told him to drop all supps he was taking, other than protien powder and normalize before his next scheduled BW which is in a month. Ive told him the negatives and that conception would be extremely difficult (his wife has a horrible uterus anyways), and that if I had the chance of not beingon TRT, I would drop it.

    He has a problem with constantly buying supplements from GNC. AndI mean a lot of stuff. AH-D, anabolic Xtreme, mass gainers, T7, OxiElite Pro, maca root, tribulus, horny goat weed, etc. I told him that I almost guarantee that he is being somewhat supressed from all of the non FDA approved chems and herbs, and there is no real research done to prove what the actually do.

    Here is the kicker. He is still taking them and plans on continuing. What I would like from you guys is some advice or article showing the negatives of TRT, negatives of supps, etc so that I can print off and take him. He is adimant about being on TRT and has not, and will not research it on his own. He just assumes he will be better off. I have tried and tried to get him to listen, and to me, it is important for me to get him to research it. If he needs TRT, fine, he needs it. But being in the normal range, even though it is slightly lower than normal for his age, I think he would normalize naturally without boosters if he dropped those un known supps. I told him todrop them all and MAYBE take 25-50 mgs of DHEA, D3, DAA, and possibly ZMA. But I dont think he should use anything and just normalize.

    There is ALWAYS a reason for Testosterone to be low, if it is. And there is always a way to find the root cause. For him to have never used AAS, PH, or be on any medication that would cause low T, I think he is fine, unless he has hypogonadism or a pitutary tumor. But even then, 450 really isnt that low and shouldnt be low enough to justify TRT, IMO. The only symptoms if lack of libido and energy, supposedly. Any advice and/or articles you guys have saved so that I can print off would be great! Thanks alot.

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    First threaten with violence. If that doesn't work... Lash out violently. Punch him in the chops and MAKE him listen.

    Jk. But really.... Why so hardheaded? I mean..negative affects of TRT?... Kiss your gonads goodbye? Like.. He's trying to have kids and wants to TRT? That's completely going against the tide...

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    Thanks mini. I'm eating but am going to follow up in a little bit. He needs assistance, but he won't listen to anyone. He isn't someone I am comfortable inviting here for one big reason I can't openly mention. Ill get back in a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by warmouth View Post
    Thanks mini. I'm eating but am going to follow up in a little bit. He needs assistance, but he won't listen to anyone. He isn't someone I am comfortable inviting here for one big reason I can't openly mention. Ill get back in a bit.
    That's... Weird. He a pedo or something? Haha. But really. I'm on TRT and I feel great but my test was at the 250 range (give or take) and I'm 23... He can do so much better by finding out his real reason for his sub-par test production.

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    Some weaponry for your battle with chum.


    Aging. For most men, Testosterone levels start decreasing around age 40 and continue to decrease about 1% each year. So by age 70, your levels can decline by about 30%. The good news is that even with the drop, three-quarters of older men still have Testosterone levels in the normal range.

    Obesity. Some of a man’s Testosterone is naturally converted to Estrogen, a hormone usually associated with women. But men need Estrogen, too, especially to maintain healthy bone density. The problem with obesity is that the conversion from Testosterone to Estrogen mainly happens in fat cells. The more fat cells you have, the more Testosterone is being converted to Estrogen, leading to lower Testosterone levels.

    Injury to the testicles or scrotum. Injured testes are sometimes unable to produce the amount of Testosterone a man needs. Interestingly, amounts can remain stable if only one testicle is injured. The healthy one can still produce enough Testosterone on its own.

    Chemotherapy and radiation therapy. These therapies can damage cells in the testes that make Testosterone. Sometimes, levels return to normal if the cells recover, but sometimes the damage is permanent.

    Medications. Opiates, taken for pain, and certain hormones can cause problems with Testosterone production.

    Performance enhancing drugs (anabolic steroids). Bodybuilders and athletes sometimes take anabolic steroids to make them stronger or faster. But performance enhancing drugs can make testicles shrink and impair Testosterone production. They are also illegal, when used in this way.

    Inflammation. Certain conditions and diseases, such as sarcoidosis, histiocytosis, tuberculosis, and HIV/AIDS can affect the pituitary gland and/or the hypothalamus because of inflammation.

    Infection. Mumps, meningitis, and syphilis are known to lower Testosterone levels.

    Head trauma and tumors. These conditions can also affect the pituitary gland and hypothalamus.

    Too much iron in the blood (hemochromatosis). This can cause damage to your testes and your pituitary gland.

    Is there anything I can do to keep my Testosterone levels from decreasing?

    Maybe. Keeping yourself fit and healthy – important for so many reasons – is also important for your Testosterone. Protect your testicles when you play sports. Make sure you get enough exercise, including resistance exercises and strength training. Eat a healthy diet full of fruits and vegetables and high-fiber foods. Watch your fat intake. Practice safe sex and don’t abuse drugs and alcohol.

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    Thank you for that list! Ill be printing this one off for sure. And I am all for TRT in people who actually need it to function. It changed my life and I couldnt do without it. But TRT is only supposed to put you in the normal range, so for someone who is in range, it is going to only replace natural production and hinder the LH and testies, which would possibly destroy the persons chance of recovery if done for long durations. I think it would be moronic to WANT to be on TRT if you are in range. I would much rather have a healthy and fully functional HPTA than to have a synthetic source that only normalizes you. And most all Drs still wont prescribe HCG, so there is another issue that is detrimental to ones health. Thanks again for that and if you have anything else up your sleeve, just let me know. Thanks man!

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    Quote Originally Posted by warmouth View Post
    Thank you for that list! Ill be printing this one off for sure. And I am all for TRT in people who actually need it to function. It changed my life and I couldnt do without it. But TRT is only supposed to put you in the normal range, so for someone who is in range, it is going to only replace natural production and hinder the LH and testies, which would possibly destroy the persons chance of recovery if done for long durations. I think it would be moronic to WANT to be on TRT if you are in range. I would much rather have a healthy and fully functional HPTA than to have a synthetic source that only normalizes you. And most all Drs still wont prescribe HCG, so there is another issue that is detrimental to ones health. Thanks again for that and if you have anything else up your sleeve, just let me know. Thanks man!
    No problem! I completely get what you mean and where you're coming from. If I could have a healthy natural level of 600-700 for my age I would be fine! But living at 250+- is dangerous. Just unhealthy all around. That's why I'm hoping triptorelin works for me... TRT isn't something I really feel like doing.

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    Warmouth, I wrote an article for Steroidal that covers exactly what you're asking about: Testosterone Booster | Steroidal.com
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan C View Post
    Warmouth, I wrote an article for Steroidal that covers exactly what you're asking about: Testosterone Booster | Steroidal.com
    Thanks Dan. I actually was reading it as I was posting this thread. Great stuff!

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