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    I've hit my first real plateau

    I need some advice here. I've had little spells where I've been stuck at certain weights, but this time it been going on 3 weeks! I am getting the same, and in some instances less weights that I've beem getting for weeks now. I figured with tren being in full force that I'd be wearing those DBs out. Any suggestions to quickly get the weights increasing again? I just got stuck and can't move up on anything. And some sets I get less weight than before the tren. CNS issues or just simply needing a 3 or 4 day rest? I hate to rest much on cycle, but I never workout on weekends, so I could skip this weekend and monday (memorial day) and carb up all weekend and make a go at it Tuesday. You guys make the call and suggestions. Thanks budroes!

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    Bump.....

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    Carb up on the weekend? What? You're on cycle now yes?... Fuckin' eat dude. Getting lean is for when you have 210
    Lbs of mass on ya'ass and until THEN EAAAATTTT.

    Other then that, change up your training routine. Alot. Go from whatever you're doing to something completely different. When I plateau in gains I just hammer down and pump some heavy ass weights for no more than 10 reps then next time I train that part go back to regular ol' 12-20.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mini-G View Post
    Carb up on the weekend? What? You're on cycle now yes?... Fuckin' eat dude. Getting lean is for when you have 210
    Lbs of mass on ya'ass and until THEN EAAAATTTT.

    Other then that, change up your training routine. Alot. Go from whatever you're doing to something completely different. When I plateau in gains I just hammer down and pump some heavy ass weights for no more than 10 reps then next time I train that part go back to regular ol' 12-20.
    Hear is the deal with eating. My intentions with this cycle was to add some LBM while shedding some fat(basically let the tren and T3 do that as a secondary mechanism). The problem I have faced with tren is that I have no appetite, at all. I am having to eat candies and stuff to keep from going hypo. I am getting in, on average, 1800-2000 calories a day, and my maintenance is 2600. This is the worst side of tren, but I can see how it is beneficial for a cut. I am literally forcing down food, not figuratively. Even my weakness, McDs, I just cant finish off a freaking burger at one time.

    Now training is what is driving my nuts! I have attributed it more than likely to the lack of calories. It could be that, or it could be that my body is wore out. The heat wave here is almost unbearable. I have thought about doing a 5x5 training schedule for 2 weeks, and force heavy weights until I feel I can go back to normal. Maybe a warmup set, then a 10 rep max and stopping at 5, then up, up, up, then try my 1RM as many times as I can, and having a nice little 2 minute break between sets. No, it isnt high intensity as I normally do, but I have to get the weights back up to par, and even set some more PRs. I do think youre right about the eating part. I just have no desire to eat big here. The heat, tren, sweat, sun, work, are all factors I am dealing with.

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    What about an appetite enhancer? I know either GHRP-2 or GHRP-6 has strong appetite enhancement affects. There are also supplements for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoBull View Post
    What about an appetite enhancer? I know either GHRP-2 or GHRP-6 has strong appetite enhancement affects. There are also supplements for that.
    I've definitely given this some thought. A little far into the cycle, and I fear it would take forever to arrive and my cyce would almost be over. But am considering this.

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    Appetite enhancing is a good decision. I also think with tren and t3 you would lose fat whole adding mass ON Your maintenance... That's the point of supplementation.... It aids you accomplish your goals through its physiologically altering or enhancing effects. If you think about it... If someone eats at 3000 calories maintenance and takes t3 they're increasing their metabolism and fat burning effect so eating at 3000 now has the same effect as eating at probably a 3-5 hundred deficit. So eating already at a 600 cal deficit with t3 is like a thousand cal deficit. YA HURD!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mini-G View Post
    Appetite enhancing is a good decision. I also think with tren and t3 you would lose fat whole adding mass ON Your maintenance... That's the point of supplementation.... It aids you accomplish your goals through its physiologically altering or enhancing effects. If you think about it... If someone eats at 3000 calories maintenance and takes t3 they're increasing their metabolism and fat burning effect so eating at 3000 now has the same effect as eating at probably a 3-5 hundred deficit. So eating already at a 600 cal deficit with t3 is like a thousand cal deficit. YA HURD!?
    Ah, good point! I guess Ill have to start eating dirtier, that about the only way I can get the cals up right now. I certainly cant eat that much food clean right now. Ill try it a few days anyways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by warmouth View Post
    Ah, good point! I guess Ill have to start eating dirtier, that about the only way I can get the cals up right now. I certainly cant eat that much food clean right now. Ill try it a few days anyways.
    Why!? Just pile in the oats. It's cheap as calorie dense!

    Or red lentils. Those things are amazing.

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    if strength gains are what your looking for then 5x5 is the way to go, 5x5 strong man lifts is my favorite strength program. i go with:

    workout A

    squats 5x5
    over head shoulder press 5x5 (just use the Olympic bar on the squat rack once you've finished squatting)
    dead lifts 1x5

    workout B

    squats 5x5
    bench 5x5
    bent over rows 5x5

    note, this doesn't include warm-up sets, its 5x5 or 1x5 with working weights
    if you complete all 5x5 or 1x5 in the case of dead lifts, then next time increase weight by 5 lbs
    workout Monday, Wednesday, and Friday alternating between workout A and B

    i do 6 weeks of 5x5 followed by 6 weeks of HIT style training, and the repeat..

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    I've seen you talk about this before on another board. May have to give it a shot!

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    Are you going for strength or size? I think changing it up for A week is ok but doing alot of it you're just developing power then.

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    Isn't this a cut or recomp cycle you are doing? I know its hard but would not really worry about strength gains. I like 5x5 training on bulk cycles.

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    It's just a recomp, or trying to lose bf whole adding a little muscle. I don't care about strength as much as my look, but it sucks dropping weight as fast as I am and losing so much on my lifts. I've increased calories and dropped the T3. I hope I can add some muscle this way and just forget about fat. I shouldn't put much on with tren anyways, I hope.

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    I was going to suggest dropping the T3 but I find 100mcg T3/day increases my appetite so wasn't sure if I should suggest that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by magnus View Post
    I was going to suggest dropping the T3 but I find 100mcg T3/day increases my appetite so wasn't sure if I should suggest that.
    See, I've heard that too. But it isn't doing much other than some fat loss. I've tried B12 inject, nothing. I am taking a new B12 supp I'm going to write about that is tha bomb, but I'm just not hungry. Its like this every year though. In the hot months my appetite sucks. When I grt hot and sweaty, I can forget about eating anything of substance. I can do a high calorie pritien shake, and that's what I did today. I added 30 carbs (powder) to it, along with 45 grams of a blended protien. I can eat a lot after dinner and am thinking about doing this. Something like 1/2 cup of natural PB and 12oz of 2% milk. That should add around 500-600 calories. I might start the T3 back up, but keep it around 50mcg. This sound ok? I really need to get more weight to afd more lbm.

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    Man I wish I had that problem. I eat when I'm happy, I eat when I'm sad, I eat when its hot, I eat when its cold. Think you get the picture. If recomp/fat loss is main goal 50mcg with the tren should be good. If you are losing weight just drop the T3.

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    When I'm off-season, I have a hard time getting in the needed cals because of this metabolism of mine. I usually eat my protein source and veggies, followed by X amount of oats that I grind up in a magic bullet, and shot gun it back. There is no cheaper, or easier calorie than that IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoBull View Post
    When I'm off-season, I have a hard time getting in the needed cals because of this metabolism of mine. I usually eat my protein source and veggies, followed by X amount of oats that I grind up in a magic bullet, and shot gun it back. There is no cheaper, or easier calorie than that IMO.
    It's true... Ground up oats takes about 30 seconds to drink. 1 cup of oats ground up is 360 calories 6g fat 60 carbs 12g protein.

    Can't beat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mini-G View Post
    It's true... Ground up oats takes about 30 seconds to drink. 1 cup of oats ground up is 360 calories 6g fat 60 carbs 12g protein.

    Can't beat it
    Grind them and add water? Is it a terrible consistency?

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    Quote Originally Posted by warmouth View Post
    Grind them and add water? Is it a terrible consistency?
    Haha... It's not bad. You have to find your consistency yourself. I like mine fairly thick because it allows me to drink it back in large portions rather than drinking more... NoBull uses far more water than me. It's really not bad once you get used too it. 1 cup of oatmeal cooked is like a fuckin' bowl and a half and is filling as shit. 1 cup grounded and sunk back is a joke and you can fit so much more in your stomach for that meal.

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    Grinding oats is a win win win win.

    No losses.

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    You can also throw in some protein powder to make it taste better and add protein.

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    Quote Originally Posted by magnus View Post
    You can also throw in some protein powder to make it taste better and add protein.
    Omg don't do that!!! I tried that once... It became the messiest most awkward consistency thing EVAR.

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    I'm going to try this today! Do you have any digestion problems with the raw oats this way?

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    Quote Originally Posted by warmouth View Post
    I'm going to try this today! Do you have any digestion problems with the raw oats this way?
    I have zero digestion issues with EVERYTHING. Where as NoBull has serious digestion issues with many various carb sources... Oats is probably the only carb source he never had an issue with lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mini-G View Post
    Omg don't do that!!! I tried that once... It became the messiest most awkward consistency thing EVAR.
    I do it all the time. Make a shake out of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by magnus View Post
    I do it all the time. Make a shake out of it.
    Insane.. I would never ruin good protein

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    im cutting atm, so i add oats, egg whites, chocolate whey powder, and some water in a blender.. 20 seconds later meal 1 is ready.

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