Begginer focused on strenght / lean mass

[Admin]

Create a specific one. That way it won't get lost in the threads. I'll be following.

Agreed.

[warmouth]

Create a specific one. That way it won't get lost in the threads. I'll be following.

[mpwlift]

No problem.

Will you be logging your progress here?

For sure... i am not a fan of meassuring myself but at least my bf % , strenght improvements and phisical changes will be all here for u to know and suggest. Is it correct to make a log in this thread or better to create a specific one ?

[Admin]

Thanks for the fast reply.

About the cycle support by IML , I already have it so will be supporting me all 14 weeks (will take it during PCT too for safe). Finally about clen, has total sense what u re saying, i did not think it that way but u are right... will drop it on wk 8. Have a nice day!

No problem.

Will you be logging your progress here?

[mpwlift]

1. Yes. To be on the safe side you could get blood testing done after 4-5 weeks and see where you are.

Also remember a cycle support supplement, I like Advanced Cycle Support by IML.

2. Yes, but there is no point. It wont provide much anabolic support and you dont want to be cutting calories/cutting during PCT as you need to be in a calorie surplus to maintain as much muscle tissue as possible.

Thanks for the fast reply.

About the cycle support by IML , I already have it so will be supporting me all 14 weeks (will take it during PCT too for safe). Finally about clen, has total sense what u re saying, i did not think it that way but u are right... will drop it on wk 8. Have a nice day!

[Admin]

Hi guys, end of july coming, ready to start my cycle next monday. I could not find Anavar here so I will use winstrol to combine the test p. This will be my final layout.

CYCLE
wk 1-8 Test Prop 100mg/EOD
wk 3-8 Winstrol 50mg/ED
wk 1-8 Aromasin 12.5mg/ED
wk 2-8 HCG 500ius 2x per week
wk 1-8 clenbuterol doing 2 wks on/off

PCT
wk 1-2 HCG 1000ui E2D (monday/thursday/sunday/wednesday/saturday = 5000ui total)
wk 1-2 Aromasin 25mg/ED
wk 1-6 Tamox 20mg/ED (40mg/ED week 1)
wk 1-6 Clomid 25mg/ED

Have 2 questions fo u guys...
1- do u think I can run winstrol for all 8 weeks at 50mg/ED safely ?
2- can clenbuterol be run during PCT too ?

Thanks!

1. Yes. To be on the safe side you could get blood testing done after 4-5 weeks and see where you are.

Also remember a cycle support supplement, I like Advanced Cycle Support by IML.

2. Yes, but there is no point. It wont provide much anabolic support and you dont want to be cutting calories/cutting during PCT as you need to be in a calorie surplus to maintain as much muscle tissue as possible.

[mpwlift]

Hi guys, end of july coming, ready to start my cycle next monday. I could not find Anavar here so I will use winstrol to combine the test p. This will be my final layout.

CYCLE
wk 1-8 Test Prop 100mg/EOD
wk 3-8 Winstrol 50mg/ED
wk 1-8 Aromasin 12.5mg/ED
wk 2-8 HCG 500ius 2x per week
wk 1-8 clenbuterol doing 2 wks on/off

PCT
wk 1-2 HCG 1000ui E2D (monday/thursday/sunday/wednesday/saturday = 5000ui total)
wk 1-2 Aromasin 25mg/ED
wk 1-6 Tamox 20mg/ED (40mg/ED week 1)
wk 1-6 Clomid 25mg/ED

Have 2 questions fo u guys...
1- do u think I can run winstrol for all 8 weeks at 50mg/ED safely ?
2- can clenbuterol be run during PCT too ?

Thanks!

[warmouth]

You will need to ask someone else on that. I like to use what has been proven. Not saying those haven't, I just have no experience with it, nor do I know anyone who has.

[Admin]

Sorry admin if was not clear. I already read that article, read the hcg importance on cycle too, but my doubt is related to why in some cases both are used and sometimes just ai. I completely understand the importance of ai and its relation to estrogen creation. I always try to read befor asking but this time could not get anything that clarifies my need. Thanks anyway.

Using a SEMR on cycle is outdated information, but Tamoxifen or Ralox should always be kept on hand.

Some may require both when using progestins such as Tren or Deca.

SERMS will also lower IGF-1 which is a potent muscle building hormone.

[mpwlift]

I wrote this years ago which is also stickied at the top of this forum.

http://forums.steroidal.com/anabolic...hen-cycle.html

Please take the time to read our articles here, there is A LOT of information here and on the main site Anabolic Steroids - Steroidal .com.

Sorry admin if was not clear. I already read that article, read the hcg importance on cycle too, but my doubt is related to why in some cases both are used and sometimes just ai. I completely understand the importance of ai and its relation to estrogen creation. I always try to read befor asking but this time could not get anything that clarifies my need. Thanks anyway.

[Admin]

Just to understand why sometimes yes and sometimes not to use a SERM on cycle, could u please explain what determines the yes/no diversity?
I thought, and read on almost every cycle, that Nolva is always suporting from wk 1 in low dosis (20mg/ED). Is it because of the use of the AI instead that both are not necessary? (Even when stacked they work fine)

Thanks

I wrote this years ago which is also stickied at the top of this forum.

http://forums.steroidal.com/anabolic...hen-cycle.html

Please take the time to read our articles here, there is A LOT of information here and on the main site Anabolic Steroids - Steroidal .com.

[mpwlift]

No SERM during cycle, only PCT

Just to understand why sometimes yes and sometimes not to use a SERM on cycle, could u please explain what determines the yes/no diversity?
I thought, and read on almost every cycle, that Nolva is always suporting from wk 1 in low dosis (20mg/ED). Is it because of the use of the AI instead that both are not necessary? (Even when stacked they work fine)

Thanks

[Admin]

I was thinking on something like that. The fact is that since yesterday I am trying to get a solid source for Var (mine does not have it nor pharmacies, so black market is the only choise and Var is one really difficult to find here) so as I wanna start next month, will search for a few more days. If no luck, will drop it and put winstrol 40mg/ED or 50mg/ED.

No need of a SERM during cycle ? Just the AI ? I though in 20mg/ED of Nolva for the 8 weeks.

Then for the PCT, apart from HCG and Aromasin, do I need both Nolva and Clomid for the first 2 weeks or can run Nolva alone at 40mg/ED on wk 1-2 and continue with 20mg/ED for wk 3-4 ?

Admin, about ur suggestion on Advanced Cycle Support from IML, did u checked Cycle Support from Iron Labs Nutrition ? Seems lot similar but even with higher doses and lower price.

No SERM during cycle, only PCT.

Yes, Nolva would work fine like that.

wk 1-6 Tamox 20mg/ED (40mg/ED week 1)
wk 1-6 Clomid 25mg/ED

Yes on the cycle support too.

[mpwlift]

...NAC or TUDCA are both good choices. Since NAC can be bought anywhere, I usually stick to that. And yes, AI for sure. What doses and pinning schedule are you planning to run?

Warmouth, what about pharmacy grade silimarin and tioctic acid for the liver ? Here almost all guys on cycle takes this as primary liver protectors. Milk thistle here is only available raw... no capsules nor liquid form.

[mpwlift]

wk 1-8 Test Prop 100mg/EOD
wk 1-8 Anavar 50mg/ED
wk 1-8 Aromasin 12.5mg/ED
wk 2-8 HCG 500ius 2x per week

I like Advanced Cycle Support by IML too on cycle.

I was thinking on something like that. The fact is that since yesterday I am trying to get a solid source for Var (mine does not have it nor pharmacies, so black market is the only choise and Var is one really difficult to find here) so as I wanna start next month, will search for a few more days. If no luck, will drop it and put winstrol 40mg/ED or 50mg/ED.

No need of a SERM during cycle ? Just the AI ? I though in 20mg/ED of Nolva for the 8 weeks.

Then for the PCT, apart from HCG and Aromasin, do I need both Nolva and Clomid for the first 2 weeks or can run Nolva alone at 40mg/ED on wk 1-2 and continue with 20mg/ED for wk 3-4 ?

Admin, about ur suggestion on Advanced Cycle Support from IML, did u checked Cycle Support from Iron Labs Nutrition ? Seems lot similar but even with higher doses and lower price.