So, guys, I have engaged in Intermittent Fasting.

[Dan C]

You don't go back on cycle for quite a while right? Curious what kind of results IF has with a good dose and some t3. What was ur dose of t3? It was like 250 right?

Speaking of t3, I've got some questions regarding that. I know cortisol is an important hormone for t3 to work. I know hydrocortisone cream work, but application every 2 hours is a pain in the ass. 5-htp increases cortisol indirectly by increasing serotonin, but also increases prolactin, which strikes a concern for me with the use of npp and tren. If using t3 and supplementing 5-htp, should we go ahead and just use low doses of caber throughout? Or do u have any other ideas, like maybe prednisone?

Some form of Prolactin control such as Cabergoline, Pramipexole, Bromocriptine, etc. Should be used whenever using any 19-nor compounds such as Nandrolone or Trenbolone. If you're using 5-HTP which is an excellent supplement in and of itself, then the Prolactin issue is already solved!

[kubes]

idk how much bcaa's it actually has (proprietary blend bullshit), only thing it gives a value on is caffein (158mg). it is a zero carb drink tho. just thought id throw the option out for ya. i just like it cause it gets me amped without the jittery feeling the eca stack gives me. but sounds like youre almost through the first week, the first week was horrible for me lol

I use the redlines a couple times EW. They work great for a boost in energy and appetite suppressed. Been doing it for years just can't have them every day or they won't work cause you get to used to them

[TroN]

I think that T3 thing is a totally different beast all together. My body's responses to T3 is just very, very strange.

Well, end of day 3 on IF, and the EC really made a big difference. I am positive that I am already seeing subtle changes, but if subtle changes are happening this quickly then it is definitely a good sign for this program. Lets see how 1 week of doing this goes.

You don't go back on cycle for quite a while right? Curious what kind of results IF has with a good dose and some t3. What was ur dose of t3? It was like 250 right?

Speaking of t3, I've got some questions regarding that. I know cortisol is an important hormone for t3 to work. I know hydrocortisone cream work, but application every 2 hours is a pain in the ass. 5-htp increases cortisol indirectly by increasing serotonin, but also increases prolactin, which strikes a concern for me with the use of npp and tren. If using t3 and supplementing 5-htp, should we go ahead and just use low doses of caber throughout? Or do u have any other ideas, like maybe prednisone?

[Dan C]

Yeah I kind of noticed your body was a diet hater considering your dosages of T3 back then

I think that T3 thing is a totally different beast all together. My body's responses to T3 is just very, very strange.

Well, end of day 3 on IF, and the EC really made a big difference. I am positive that I am already seeing subtle changes, but if subtle changes are happening this quickly then it is definitely a good sign for this program. Lets see how 1 week of doing this goes.

[Mini-G]

Yeah I kind of noticed your body was a diet hater considering your dosages of T3 back then

[warmouth]

something that i would use while i was doing it and fighting hungar pains is the REDLINE energy drink. idk if they have it there or not, but its basically electrolytes bcaa's with some other goodies in theres lol like a lil huperzine a, yohimbe, 5-htp and also caffeine.

I was on that redline kick for a few weeks. Those things work! I gave my dad one, and he is a former speed addict, and he wanted me to take him to the hopsital. It freaked him out enough to not take another one. It was so funny how much he freaked out.

The ECA stack kills my appetite as well. I havent used the dose you do though. I do 12.5/100/baby asprin. I did get some Wal-Phed from walgreens yesterday and it has 60mgs of Ephederin HCL (which is alot), maybe 48, but I think 60. It was so cheap. 7 bucks for 30 tabs. The other stuff that had ony 15-30mgs was over 10 bucks. Problem is, it has something called triobine(something like that) at 2.5mgs. Have no clue if it should be used. This is going to be an interesting log to see how and what all you use to manipulate your appetite.

[TroN]

That sounds like a good blend of things, but I want to stay away from BCAAs unless its pre-workout, or the intake of any solid nutrients during the fasting period (even leafy greens, celery, etc. I am staying away from) because I believe they still exhibit a measure of caloric effect on the body. Either way, the EC stack is working incredibly right now. It has my hunger totally under control and giving me that nice energy boost.

idk how much bcaa's it actually has (proprietary blend bullshit), only thing it gives a value on is caffein (158mg). it is a zero carb drink tho. just thought id throw the option out for ya. i just like it cause it gets me amped without the jittery feeling the eca stack gives me. but sounds like youre almost through the first week, the first week was horrible for me lol

[Dan C]

That sounds like a good blend of things, but I want to stay away from BCAAs unless its pre-workout, or the intake of any solid nutrients during the fasting period (even leafy greens, celery, etc. I am staying away from) because I believe they still exhibit a measure of caloric effect on the body. Either way, the EC stack is working incredibly right now. It has my hunger totally under control and giving me that nice energy boost.

[TroN]

ALRIGHT!!!! Day 3 of IF and it's a Sunday today, not much to do, just hanging around the house and therefore not occupied enough to keep my mind off food and my appetite during this fasting period. The hunger has been getting to me quite a bit this morning, and I think my workout yesterday has really kicked the metabolism into high gear today, so, I have pulled out the heavy artillery:

Ephedrine and Caffeine stack. 32mg Ephedrine, 200mg Caffeine taken about 20 minutes ago. Kicking in now.

The EC stack is one of the only things that completely destroys my appetite. I have no choice at this point, the hunger has been getting to me quite a bit. This should also assist fat oxidation in a fasted state a well.

something that i would use while i was doing it and fighting hungar pains is the REDLINE energy drink. idk if they have it there or not, but its basically electrolytes bcaa's with some other goodies in theres lol like a lil huperzine a, yohimbe, 5-htp and also caffeine.

[Dan C]

ALRIGHT!!!! Day 3 of IF and it's a Sunday today, not much to do, just hanging around the house and therefore not occupied enough to keep my mind off food and my appetite during this fasting period. The hunger has been getting to me quite a bit this morning, and I think my workout yesterday has really kicked the metabolism into high gear today, so, I have pulled out the heavy artillery:

Ephedrine and Caffeine stack. 32mg Ephedrine, 200mg Caffeine taken about 20 minutes ago. Kicking in now.

The EC stack is one of the only things that completely destroys my appetite. I have no choice at this point, the hunger has been getting to me quite a bit. This should also assist fat oxidation in a fasted state a well.

[Dan C]

Alright, so I completed my second day of IF, and today I performed my workout in fasted state. I hit the gym at 1:00pm, after consuming 10g of BCAAs prior. I felt no hypoglycemic episodes, and no weakness during the workout. I completed all sets to expectations and there was really no loss in strength. I even completed my 365 lb. deadlifts and actually went up in strength from last back day, I achieved 1 rep higher than last. I know 1 rep does not sound like a lot in terms of strength gains, but when you are on a deficit trying to lose fat, it is pretty significant.

Completed my workout at 2:00pm and I had to be somewhere for 3:00, so I had no time to head right home and eat. This is the benefit of IF - I don't need to pack all my meals beforehand since all my food consumption is in the evening, pretty much after all errands/work/school is finished earlier in the day. So, I took another 10g BCAAs at 2:30pm and after I took care of what I needed to do, I got home at 4:00pm and ate my first meal. It's about 50 minutes since I ate, and i'll be eating again in another hour and a bit or so. I feel pretty good so far, no giant loss in energy during the fasting periods, no weakness either, no hypoglycemia. Day 2 of IF was not bad.
I'm liking the BCAAs 15 minutes before working out, it seems to keep things normal when training in a fasted state.

Wow. Most people I know use the 16 hour fast. 18 should benefit you well. I can tell you this Dan, and I know you know this from experience, but keep glucose tabs on hand during the fast. I know you have experienced hypoglycemic episodes in the past, but I am posting this for others to read as well. When you have a hypoglycemic episode, it is very scary. It is even dangerous if you are driving or doing anything that requires thought. I once got lost only 5 minutes away from my house and drove around crying for what seemed to be 2 hours. Nothing looked familiar. I had a terible panic attack (not prone and was the first). When I finally got home, I got out of my truck and my body was pins and needles (like sitting on your leg for several minutes, only throughtout my body) and I fell to the gound trembling. It was the only time I felt as if doom was nearing and a feeling dread I cant even explain.
I know this is extreme, but if blood sugar levels drop, and no food is near, it can lead to dangerous things. This is an extreme case, I know, but for anyone wanting to try IF and dont know how they function fasting, it is wise to keep simple sugars on hand until you have learned your bodys response. Just food for thought. Not aimed at you Dan because I know you know your body. Good luck with the new diet and keep us posted.

Hypoglycemia has really never been an issue for me, but I am aware that during fasting periods it is more likely to happen, so I do keep some candy or some quick sugars on hand just in case. It's a good idea.

800 calorie deficit. That's intense. Considering it takes 3500 calories to lose 1lb of fat I don't know how weightloss could slow? The body follows the same regime as functions as long as you keep a deficit going? My weightloss only ever slows when I find myself eating Reese's pieces for breakfast. Hahaha.

You're one of the few people I trust and take advice from so I know you know what you're doing going even further. Keep us updated!!! Start an actual diet thread with all your info and reiterate your battle plan so I can follow it! How do you subscribe on this anyway?

My body has been strange with deficits. You'd think fat loss wouldn't slow down as long as the deficit remains the same, and generally most people's physiology will not undergo metabolic slowdown until 3 months into a deficit. I don't know what's going on with me here, lol.

[Mini-G]

800 calorie deficit. That's intense. Considering it takes 3500 calories to lose 1lb of fat I don't know how weightloss could slow? The body follows the same regime as functions as long as you keep a deficit going? My weightloss only ever slows when I find myself eating Reese's pieces for breakfast. Hahaha.

You're one of the few people I trust and take advice from so I know you know what you're doing going even further. Keep us updated!!! Start an actual diet thread with all your info and reiterate your battle plan so I can follow it! How do you subscribe on this anyway?

[ElectraMaddox]

Great me too.... I hate ittttt

[warmouth]

Wow. Most people I know use the 16 hour fast. 18 should benefit you well. I can tell you this Dan, and I know you know this from experience, but keep glucose tabs on hand during the fast. I know you have experienced hypoglycemic episodes in the past, but I am posting this for others to read as well. When you have a hypoglycemic episode, it is very scary. It is even dangerous if you are driving or doing anything that requires thought. I once got lost only 5 minutes away from my house and drove around crying for what seemed to be 2 hours. Nothing looked familiar. I had a terible panic attack (not prone and was the first). When I finally got home, I got out of my truck and my body was pins and needles (like sitting on your leg for several minutes, only throughtout my body) and I fell to the gound trembling. It was the only time I felt as if doom was nearing and a feeling dread I cant even explain.
I know this is extreme, but if blood sugar levels drop, and no food is near, it can lead to dangerous things. This is an extreme case, I know, but for anyone wanting to try IF and dont know how they function fasting, it is wise to keep simple sugars on hand until you have learned your bodys response. Just food for thought. Not aimed at you Dan because I know you know your body. Good luck with the new diet and keep us posted.

[TroN]

Testosterone in the 300s! That is a huge BUT! Anyone could lose LBM on any diet with levels right at the border of the low end of normal.

I don't see myself losing muscle as long as I get my required calories in during my feed period. I also engage in Mentzer style HIT routines, so with the low volume training, I don't see myself performing so many sets that it would severely deplete glycogen or destroy enough muscle that would cause the fasting periods to catabolize muscle, especially if I use the BCAAs.

Haha yeah, hence the cruise and blast I just started. Tired I this see saw bullshit. Dr's wouldn't do anything cuz of my age and it wasn't below the threshold.

But yeah just sharing my experience with it. It did drop fat quite fast tho. The first week is a bitch lol