So, guys, I have engaged in Intermittent Fasting.

[theoneandonly]

The other question I would have to ask is: under what context/environment was the study conducted?

My problem with a lot of these studies is the fact that the subjects being studied in the environment they are being studied in, do not conform to people like you and me who are engaging in athletic/bodybuilding lifestyles whereby our caloric intake is far beyond the average individuals. Our macronutrient ratios are vastly different, we eat more protein and more carbs every day than the average individual. These are all factors that dramatically change the situation and the outcomes. If the study is conducted on average Joe individuals who will fast and then eat a total of 800 calories after the fast, that doesn't really apply to us, does it? Furthermore, their macro ratios would obviously be vastly different than us. Therefore, fasting in the context of an average Joe lifestyle might indeed be detrimental to our goals and potentiate fat storage. But for us, I believe the results are distinctly different. Regardless, i'd love to still see the study and i'll even try looking for it later on today if I get the time.

I love studies that are lengthy and use big words, lol. Usually those are the studies that are taken vastly out of context by people who read it (not intentionally, of course). Interpreting studies in the proper context is just as important as anything else.

I don't know... you would think that even if they used "normal" people for the study; it would still apply to us as our caloric intake is higher but so is our expenditure so it balances out somewhat? As far as I know; the medical community has yet to use "our type" in studies as we are the 1%. Most of society is fat and lives off McDonald's. At the same time big words or no big words; I take most of those studies as the info is worth a grain of salt because for every study there is another study that contradicts it so it seems. They still are a good read and I just like trying to accurately pronounce the big words and sound smart. I did read a study once about AAS that more or less stated that if you take excessive amounts of AAS you're more or less accelerating internal death, lol. Its like if you are bound to die of cancer at 70 years old; AAS will just make it happen faster and you'll be dead at 50 instead of 70. That's pretty much when I stopped paying attention to all the publications and just started focusing on what works for me. What works for me is high protein intake (as much as possible), low carbs/sugars, and eating every couple hours. That's what I do to stay lean and it works so I'm not messing with it.

[theoneandonly]

Did you really just say that to Dan?

You must be new.... lol

[Dan C]

The other question I would have to ask is: under what context/environment was the study conducted?

My problem with a lot of these studies is the fact that the subjects being studied in the environment they are being studied in, do not conform to people like you and me who are engaging in athletic/bodybuilding lifestyles whereby our caloric intake is far beyond the average individuals. Our macronutrient ratios are vastly different, we eat more protein and more carbs every day than the average individual. These are all factors that dramatically change the situation and the outcomes. If the study is conducted on average Joe individuals who will fast and then eat a total of 800 calories after the fast, that doesn't really apply to us, does it? Furthermore, their macro ratios would obviously be vastly different than us. Therefore, fasting in the context of an average Joe lifestyle might indeed be detrimental to our goals and potentiate fat storage. But for us, I believe the results are distinctly different. Regardless, i'd love to still see the study and i'll even try looking for it later on today if I get the time.

I love studies that are lengthy and use big words, lol. Usually those are the studies that are taken vastly out of context by people who read it (not intentionally, of course). Interpreting studies in the proper context is just as important as anything else.

[Mini-G]

Let me see if I can dig up an old article about fasting and you'll change your mind on this. I have one from a medical study (on humans) and more or less it says if you fast; you train your body to store energy in the form of fat. I have it at home somewhere on a hard drive and once I'll find it I'll copy/paste. Its rather lengthy and uses big words though so...

Did you really just say that to Dan?

[theoneandonly]

You sure it's not talking about STARVING instead of fasting? I know that it is a well-known function of the body to store fat during starvation periods as a survival mechanism. Sometimes these things can be misinterpreted. I'd love to see the study if you can find it.

Regardless, this is temporary. Once I reach my desired bodyfat %, I will be going right back to 6 meals per day.

It was about fasting. Actually the study was about brain function during periods of fasting (including sleep); but it had a lot of info about how the entire body reacts during periods of low/no nutritional supply and they charted the declines in the body including skeletal muscle, reaction times, memory, etc. I'll find it and post it. Its a couple years old but it's still a good read. I got it back in school during some Kinesiology classes I took.

[Dan C]

Let me see if I can dig up an old article about fasting and you'll change your mind on this. I have one from a medical study (on humans) and more or less it says if you fast; you train your body to store energy in the form of fat. I have it at home somewhere on a hard drive and once I'll find it I'll copy/paste. Its rather lengthy and uses big words though so...

You sure it's not talking about STARVING instead of fasting? I know that it is a well-known function of the body to store fat during starvation periods as a survival mechanism. Sometimes these things can be misinterpreted. I'd love to see the study if you can find it.

Regardless, this is temporary. Once I reach my desired bodyfat %, I will be going right back to 6 meals per day.

[theoneandonly]

Let me see if I can dig up an old article about fasting and you'll change your mind on this. I have one from a medical study (on humans) and more or less it says if you fast; you train your body to store energy in the form of fat. I have it at home somewhere on a hard drive and once I'll find it I'll copy/paste. Its rather lengthy and uses big words though so...

[Mini-G]

Yeah. Ill be the one to go there.


You're gunna have a big poop.

[kubes]

I think a set amount of food will do you much better. 1,000 calorie meal should curb all your cravings for a couple days

[Dan C]

I honestly am not sure... the overly-stuffed "OMG am I going to survive this???" feeling really does kill the whole satisfaction of having a cheat meal after its all done. It's cool to binge like that once in a while but I think even cheating should be done in a smart manner. The truth is I've been cheating like this for the last 2 or 3 cheats and I don't think i'm going to be doing this again for a while.

It really is true that buffets and all-you-can-eat places actually result in you eating far more during a cheat than you otherwise would if you ordered a-la-carte, or ate your cheat meal at home. It's a fact that when humans are presented with multiple food choices we end up overeating FAR more than when we are presented with 1 - 3 choices of large portions. I can tell that I ended up eating perhaps 3 times the amount of food yesterday that I normally would if I had instead gone to a restaurant and ordered 3 courses (appetizer, main, and a dessert), and I know it's because of the vast selections of different tiny things that you get at sushi places. I will psychologically be drawn to try a bit of everything just because its there.

Next week's cheat meal is going to be a set amount of food, and that's it. No all-you-can-eats or buffets for at least a month.

[kubes]

Yeah Mini-G is right... everything, pretty much. Here's how yesterday panned out:

3:30pm - "OMG ITS CHEAT TIME!!!", was out with some friends, stopped by a friend's place and proceeded to eat a bunch of crap: carrot cake, doughnuts, some junk food, and two microwave pasta dinner things. As with most average people's households, they have no real protein sources and all I've had thus far is carbs, so "I NEED MY PROTEIN!!!".

5:00pm - So we then hit an all you can eat sushi place. It gets to the point where I am just randomly ticking off foods on the menu that are labeled in Japanese and of course I don't even know what the foods are, but I didn't care, I ordered it anyways. "What the hell is this? I don't care, lets order it and i'll eat it when it arrives". When the food came, I didn't even know or recognize what it was. It looked like fish or meat on top of rice. It's good enough for me! I must have eaten well over 50 of those small sushi roles. Next time if I do this, I will be keeping score just so I can post it on here. I will even take pictures.

6:30pm - "OMG MY STOMACH FEELS LIKE ITS GOING TO EXPLODE."

6:45pm - I am becoming incoherent and am dozing off because I have eaten so damn much, all the blood in my body is going to my stomach. My stomach is so stuffed that I can't breathe properly because its pushing against my diaphragm. Satisfying yet torturous at the same time.

8:45pm - I look at my watch "15 MINUTES UNTIL THE END OF MY FEED PERIOD!!! I HAVE TO MAKE THE MOST OF THIS CHEAT MEAL!". My stomach felt like it had dealt with some of the food from earlier, just enough that I felt like I could eat just a bit more... or so I thought. So went and ate a bowl of Greek rice with a chunk of meat, and then sliced up a pineapple and destroyed that too.

9:00pm - My stomach is basically saying this to me: "You're an asshole!"

I couldn't even drink water after that, my stomach was so full. I felt comfortable enough to consume water at 12:00pm.

Holy crap!!! Here is the question..... Do you think you will do it again? LOL

[Dan C]

Yeah Mini-G is right... everything, pretty much. Here's how yesterday panned out:

3:30pm - "OMG ITS CHEAT TIME!!!", was out with some friends, stopped by a friend's place and proceeded to eat a bunch of crap: carrot cake, doughnuts, some junk food, and two microwave pasta dinner things. As with most average people's households, they have no real protein sources and all I've had thus far is carbs, so "I NEED MY PROTEIN!!!".

5:00pm - So we then hit an all you can eat sushi place. It gets to the point where I am just randomly ticking off foods on the menu that are labeled in Japanese and of course I don't even know what the foods are, but I didn't care, I ordered it anyways. "What the hell is this? I don't care, lets order it and i'll eat it when it arrives". When the food came, I didn't even know or recognize what it was. It looked like fish or meat on top of rice. It's good enough for me! I must have eaten well over 50 of those small sushi roles. Next time if I do this, I will be keeping score just so I can post it on here. I will even take pictures.

6:30pm - "OMG MY STOMACH FEELS LIKE ITS GOING TO EXPLODE."

6:45pm - I am becoming incoherent and am dozing off because I have eaten so damn much, all the blood in my body is going to my stomach. My stomach is so stuffed that I can't breathe properly because its pushing against my diaphragm. Satisfying yet torturous at the same time.

8:45pm - I look at my watch "15 MINUTES UNTIL THE END OF MY FEED PERIOD!!! I HAVE TO MAKE THE MOST OF THIS CHEAT MEAL!". My stomach felt like it had dealt with some of the food from earlier, just enough that I felt like I could eat just a bit more... or so I thought. So went and ate a bowl of Greek rice with a chunk of meat, and then sliced up a pineapple and destroyed that too.

9:00pm - My stomach is basically saying this to me: "You're an asshole!"

I couldn't even drink water after that, my stomach was so full. I felt comfortable enough to consume water at 12:00pm.

[kubes]

Everything.

He even ate the chef.

Poor Soon-yu-fi-San... He was so young

LMAO

[Mini-G]

Just cause i am curious... What did you eat if you don't mind me asking?

Everything.

He even ate the chef.

Poor Soon-yu-fi-San... He was so young

[kubes]

Oh my god, I cheated so hard yesterday that words can't describe how I felt. First cheat meal on intermittent fasting. Went the typical 18 hour fasting period, and that ONE cheat meal was my whole meal for the day pretty much. It must have been 5,000 calories in one sitting at an all you can eat sushi place. Extreme bloating, visible "food baby" stomach protrusion lol. The good thing about IF is that your cheat meal usually is all your calories for the day (as opposed to the 6 meals per day routine where you eat one cheat meal on top of your other 5 meals, resulting in even higher caloric intake). It feels like cheat meals don't set you back as much when you do it in an IF setting.

But from now on, no more all you can eat places for cheat meals. End up binging so much that you almost explode and bloat so much you could roll out of the restaurant...

Just cause i am curious... What did you eat if you don't mind me asking?