My first injectable cycle

[Theone2005]

Hi all,

I've been searching the internet for information on steroids and I came across this site. It is quite detailed documented and organized, so it is easy to navigate and find a specific information. I am opening this thread because I would like to develop my first cycle with injectable steroids. First I will lay down some facts about me.

Here are some of my statistics:
Age: 33
Height: 189cm
Weight: cca 205lbs
Bodyfat: cca 13-15%

- I've been training in the gym for about 7-8 years (started 2009).

- In my time, I've been on 2 oral steroid cycles (both in 2012). I can't remember the dosages, but I know they were very low, as I was advised from my friend. I did not do any research at that time. I also don't recall any side-effects (nether mid or post cycle):
1st cycle: Winstrol, Oral-turinabol
2nd cycle: Winstrol,Oral-turinabol and clen-buterol

After 2012, I haven't been on any steroid cycle anymore. My goal right now is to gain some solid muscle. I see some progress now too, but it's very slow.

My current diet is customized for cutting. It is a low-carb diet with occasional refeed (once every 1-2 weeks). When I was bulking it was similar, expect with higher amount of CARBS (mostly around my workout) and also more FAT.
My current training routine is split: legs, back, shoulders+biceps, chest+triceps. Every few days I also do core work (abs, lower back, side abs, glutes) and cardio. I was around 216lbs in winter when I was bulking, I now I've dieted down to 205lbs.

My future plan is to cut a little bit more, but not to go below 200lbs. Here is where I want to go on a cycle to gain some clean mass. I think my best option would be test enanthate and a standard PCT. I will post a sample plan soon. If you already have any suggestions/remarks, please feel free to comment.

[Admin]

Hi all,

I've been searching the internet for information on steroids and I came across this site. It is quite detailed documented and organized, so it is easy to navigate and find a specific information. I am opening this thread because I would like to develop my first cycle with injectable steroids. First I will lay down some facts about me.

Here are some of my statistics:
Age: 33
Height: 189cm
Weight: cca 205lbs
Bodyfat: cca 13-15%

- I've been training in the gym for about 7-8 years (started 2009).

- In my time, I've been on 2 oral steroid cycles (both in 2012). I can't remember the dosages, but I know they were very low, as I was advised from my friend. I did not do any research at that time. I also don't recall any side-effects (nether mid or post cycle):
1st cycle: Winstrol, Oral-turinabol
2nd cycle: Winstrol,Oral-turinabol and clen-buterol

After 2012, I haven't been on any steroid cycle anymore. My goal right now is to gain some solid muscle. I see some progress now too, but it's very slow.

My current diet is customized for cutting. It is a low-carb diet with occasional refeed (once every 1-2 weeks). When I was bulking it was similar, expect with higher amount of CARBS (mostly around my workout) and also more FAT.
My current training routine is split: legs, back, shoulders+biceps, chest+triceps. Every few days I also do core work (abs, lower back, side abs, glutes) and cardio. I was around 216lbs in winter when I was bulking, I now I've dieted down to 205lbs.

My future plan is to cut a little bit more, but not to go below 200lbs. Here is where I want to go on a cycle to gain some clean mass. I think my best option would be test enanthate and a standard PCT. I will post a sample plan soon. If you already have any suggestions/remarks, please feel free to comment.

Firstly, welcome to Steroidal.com.

Second, well done for doing our research, you seem to have read a lot.

Third, what are your goals? You cannot really add mass and cut.

A Test based steroid would be advised here. I'd suggest Test Prop for 6-8 weeks with perhaps Anavar at 60mg/ED, 0.5mg Adex 3x week and HCG 500ius twice per week. Test Prop or Phenylpropionate injected EOD or 3x per week.

[Theone2005]

Sorry for not pointing out my goals clearly. My goal (and also the reason for a cycle) is definitely to mass. I will soon stop my current cutting phase and also change my diet to provide a caloric sufficit and here is where I want to include steroids. .

I roughly remember now what my dosages were on those 2 cycles.I think it was 8 week cycle both times (without PCT). I started with 20mg ED doses and then raised to 40mg. I can't remember if I upped to 60 somewhere, not sure:
1st: 40mg Winstrol ED, 40mg Tbo ED (8 weeks) results...gained a lot of weight and strength (around 30lbs). I got a little carried away with my diet (very high caloric sufficit) so it was lots of water weight and fat. When I went off cycle, I also lost almost all that weight and also strength.
2nd: 40mg Winstrol ED, 40mg Tbol ED, 60mg clenbuterol ED (also 8 weeks) .. Here my diet was better. I was doing carb cycling and it worked pretty good. I was in good shape in the end, but lacking muscle. I was about 190lbs with 12%BF

[Theone2005]

Firstly, welcome to Steroidal.com.

Second, well done for doing our research, you seem to have read a lot.

Third, what are your goals? You cannot really add mass and cut.

A Test based steroid would be advised here. I'd suggest Test Prop for 6-8 weeks with perhaps Anavar at 60mg/ED, 0.5mg Adex 3x week and HCG 500ius twice per week. Test Prop or Phenylpropionate injected EOD or 3x per week.

I have a few questions:
- If I would use Anavar 60mg/ED, how much Test Prop?
- Could I use Enanthat instead of Propionate?
- Can I Mix HCG and Test into 1 injection?

PCT should be standard? 6weeks for example:
20mg nolva/ED
25mg clomid/ED

[Admin]

I have a few questions:
- If I would use Anavar 60mg/ED, how much Test Prop?
- Could I use Enanthat instead of Propionate?
- Can I Mix HCG and Test into 1 injection?

PCT should be standard? 6weeks for example:
20mg nolva/ED
25mg clomid/ED

1. Test Prop 100mg/EOD or 100mg 3x week M/W/F.

2. Yes, but that means your cycle needs to be 10-12 weeks.

3. Yes, but I inject HCG subq into the stomach fat. AAS are injected IM.

4. PCT looks good, but do 50mg/ED Clomid first 1 week and 40mg/ED Tamox.

[Theone2005]

1. Test Prop 100mg/EOD or 100mg 3x week M/W/F.

2. Yes, but that means your cycle needs to be 10-12 weeks.

3. Yes, but I inject HCG subq into the stomach fat. AAS are injected IM.

4. PCT looks good, but do 50mg/ED Clomid first 1 week and 40mg/ED Tamox.

- that means 300mg test + 420mg Anavar weekly. What should I expect from this cycle in terms of sides and gains?
- Is there any difference in effects if you inject HCG simultaneously with AAS IM instead seperately HCG into stomach fat?
- so only 1st week 50mg ClomidED + 40mg Tamox/ED, after that 20mg tamox/ED + 25mg Clomid/ED ?

[Admin]

- that means 300mg test + 420mg Anavar weekly. What should I expect from this cycle in terms of sides and gains?
- Is there any difference in effects if you inject HCG simultaneously with AAS IM instead seperately HCG into stomach fat?
- so only 1st week 50mg ClomidED + 40mg Tamox/ED, after that 20mg tamox/ED + 25mg Clomid/ED ?

Yes. Depends on diet and training. Most of your grans will come from you diet. AAS are just like supplements.

No.

Yes.

[Theone2005]

So basically my cycle should look like this?
week 1-8: Test propionat 100mg M/W/F, Anavar 60mg ED
*Adex 0.5mg M/W/F or Aromasin 10mg/ED
*HCG 500ius M/F

week 9: 50mg Clomid ED, 40mg Nolva/ED
week 10-15: 25mg Clomid ED, 20mg Nolva/ED


Any suggestions regarding training and diet when on-cycle compared to how I usually do it? Should I increase any training volume or food calories?

[Admin]

So basically my cycle should look like this?
week 1-8: Test propionat 100mg M/W/F, Anavar 60mg ED
*Adex 0.5mg M/W/F or Aromasin 10mg/ED
*HCG 500ius M/F

week 9: 50mg Clomid ED, 40mg Nolva/ED
week 10-15: 25mg Clomid ED, 20mg Nolva/ED


Any suggestions regarding training and diet when on-cycle compared to how I usually do it? Should I increase any training volume or food calories?

I train Fortitude Training. Google it and buy the ebook PDF. I have got the most gains ever from this and advise it as a training protocol.

Yes, absolutely increase calories to build muscle. You must progress in calories every few weeks or when muscle growth and/or weight stops going up.

[warmouth]

I train Fortitude Training. Google it and buy the ebook PDF. I have got the most gains ever from this and advise it as a training protocol.

Yes, absolutely increase calories to build muscle. You must progress in calories every few weeks or when muscle growth and/or weight stops going up.

I'm unfamiliar with fortitude training. I'll look into this myself!

[warmouth]

I'm sorry I'm late here OP. And sorry to Admin as well for slacking. I've had some tragedy since February and I can't get out of this hole. I'm trying to catch up on this thread. Stick around Theone2005! Glad you joined us!

[Admin]

I'm sorry I'm late here OP. And sorry to Admin as well for slacking. I've had some tragedy since February and I can't get out of this hole. I'm trying to catch up on this thread. Stick around Theone2005! Glad you joined us!

No apologises needed, hope you're cool

[Theone2005]

Hi all,


I'm still here! In the meantime, I caught up with an old fitness friend, who proposed me with a cycle of propionate, HgH and winstrol. Depending on the impact HgH will have on me, I will probably stick to it even after I finish this propionate cycle.
However after 3 weeks, I will be traveling for 3-4 days and those days I won't be able to train or use HgH (since I know it has to be refrigerated all the time).

What do you think would be best? Should I start cycle right away and take those 4 days completely off (no training and HgH injections) or should I postpone the cycle and start when I return from the trip?

[Admin]

4 days off isn't; going to have much impact. Its not ideal, but continue with your diet or increase calories on these 4 off days and you will be fine.

[Theone2005]

So last week I started my test cycle. It's been 1 month now also since I started using gH.

So currently 2nd week of my 8week test cycle, which looks like this:
- 100mg TEST prop EOD
- 60mg Winstrol EOD
- 1.5iu ED GH Genotropin
- 0.5mg Arimidex EOD



My questions:
- I gained almost 2kg in first week, I assume this is water weight? Should I try to stay as lean as possible while on cycle and keep my calories limited? So far, I added a bit more carbs and protein in regards to my cutting diet before cycle
- I am considering fortitude training. Right now I train almost everything by the way I feel. My split is: chest-back-legs-shoulders-arms. Should I keep my current regime or switch to fortitude while on cycle?
- End of august (it will be my 5-6 week) I plan to go to summer holiday for 7 days. What would be suggested regarding my cycle? Can I pause it (no pinning while on holiday) and extend it when I return?