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I adore primo. It's one of those things that takes forever to start showing, but when it does its daily changes. I'll never run it less than 16 weeks and honestly probably not less than 20. It takes so much pinning and in about the 12th week I was sick of it. But it started showing amazing results shortly after and I don't regret it. I ran it at 700mgs a week with TRT. It's like masteron, but you don't have to be super lean like with masteron to see the results. I've not fooled with it much because npp is my go to these days, but it's worth trying. There are virtually 0 signs of estrogen related activity. I feel is one of the few compounds that can be ran indefinitely if you're already on TRT. No side effects worth noting. If I could stand pinning all the time, I think I would run 600mgs up to a year. It's so very very slow though. Much slower than deca even though it's a shorter ester.