first cycle how to use hcg and arimidex on and after cycle help!

[madalinvicu]

hello guys , is my first cycle ever ,im 23 years old im workout hard natural for about 7 years, now is time.
my stats are 183 cm
93 kg
17-19 %bf
43 cm in arms in rest day

i read a loot and i wont to do :
12-14weeks (how is more good 12 or 14 weeks?) on 500 mg test e 2 days a week
first 6 or least 6 weeks dbol or t-bol or anavar . or d-bol first 3 weeks and last 5-6 weeks tbol or anavar ( what do you think?how is good??)
arimidex 0,5 e3d and maybe up to 0,5 eod and if i need 1mg eod or i hope not 1mg ed , i hope not becouse arimidex is expensive
hcg 500u.i weeks / 250 u.i to time /weeks
Should I take hcg on the first week or the last 6 weeks?

and how is the best to take hcg and arimidex after cycle? after how many days after last test injection need to start hcg and how long ,and what dosage,
is best to take arimidex and clomid in pct then nolva?

please tell me how is the best to take all this to make a good first cycle and to keep most of the gains?
i have a good diet,good workout, i dont wont to make a houge man i wont to gain qualiti mass,
sorry for my english !!

[Admin]

hello guys , is my first cycle ever ,im 23 years old im workout hard natural for about 7 years, now is time.
my stats are 183 cm
93 kg
17-19 %bf
43 cm in arms in rest day

i read a loot and i wont to do :
12-14weeks (how is more good 12 or 14 weeks?) on 500 mg test e 2 days a week
first 6 or least 6 weeks dbol or t-bol or anavar . or d-bol first 3 weeks and last 5-6 weeks tbol or anavar ( what do you think?how is good??)
arimidex 0,5 e3d and maybe up to 0,5 eod and if i need 1mg eod or i hope not 1mg ed , i hope not becouse arimidex is expensive
hcg 500u.i weeks / 250 u.i to time /weeks
Should I take hcg on the first week or the last 6 weeks?

and how is the best to take hcg and arimidex after cycle? after how many days after last test injection need to start hcg and how long ,and what dosage,
is best to take arimidex and clomid in pct then nolva?

please tell me how is the best to take all this to make a good first cycle and to keep most of the gains?
i have a good diet,good workout, i dont wont to make a houge man i wont to gain qualiti mass,
sorry for my english !!

Firstly, welcome to Steroidal.com!

Well done for doing your research as well.

I'd go with:

wk 1-12 Test Enan 250mg injected every 4 days. Which wil give you just under 500mg/wk.
*Arimidex 0.5mg/EOD
*HCG 500ius 2x per week or every 4 days

HCG can be ramped to 1,500ius for the final 4 shots, the final 2 shots can be when you're waiting 10-14 days for the Enanthate ester to clear. Keep using Arimidex during this time and drop it the day of PCT.

PCT

wk 1-6 Tamox 20mg/ED (40mgED first 7 days)
wk 1-6 Clomid 25mg/ED (50mg/ED first 7 days)
*LJ100 400mg/ED
*Tribulus Sopharma Only 1g/ED

[madalinvicu]

Firstly, welcome to Steroidal.com!

Well done for doing your research as well.

I'd go with:

wk 1-12 Test Enan 250mg injected every 4 days. Which wil give you just under 500mg/wk.
*Arimidex 0.5mg/EOD
*HCG 500ius 2x per week or every 4 days

HCG can be ramped to 1,500ius for the final 4 shots, the final 2 shots can be when you're waiting 10-14 days for the Enanthate ester to clear. Keep using Arimidex during this time and drop it the day of PCT.

PCT

wk 1-6 Tamox 20mg/ED (40mgED first 7 days)
wk 1-6 Clomid 25mg/ED (50mg/ED first 7 days)
*LJ100 400mg/ED
*Tribulus Sopharma Only 1g/ED

first off all thank you for your time.!
after when i done the test cycle ,hcg must continue every day until i start pct OR i need to take a short rest and take hcg every day 500 u.i for 10 days and imediatly after this 10 days start pct . If i need to take a short rest (HOW MUCH LONG?)after cycle arimidex should be not stop ? or i need to stop and arimidex and start at same time with hcg for last 10 days until i start pct?

[Admin]

first off all thank you for your time.!
after when i done the test cycle ,hcg must continue every day until i start pct OR i need to take a short rest and take hcg every day 500 u.i for 10 days and imediatly after this 10 days start pct . If i need to take a short rest (HOW MUCH LONG?)after cycle arimidex should be not stop ? or i need to stop and arimidex and start at same time with hcg for last 10 days until i start pct?

You want to do 2 shots of HCG whilst waiting for the Enanthate ester to clear.

Start PCT 10-12 days after your final Test Enan shot.

You need to take Arimidex during the 10-12 days waiting, every other day. It doesn't matter if the last dose is the first day of PCT or not.

PCT is when we use SERMS to restart endogenous testosterone, not AI's.

[madalinvicu]

You want to do 2 shots of HCG whilst waiting for the Enanthate ester to clear.

Start PCT 10-12 days after your final Test Enan shot.

You need to take Arimidex during the 10-12 days waiting, every other day. It doesn't matter if the last dose is the first day of PCT or not.

PCT is when we use SERMS to restart endogenous testosterone, not AI's.

ok! but when is best time to start hcg ,same time with firt test injection or after 3 weeks after firts test injection and
i read something like you need to stop hcg with 6-7 days before start the pct ,its this true?
or after when i done hcg next day i start pct?

[Admin]

Please read what I said again, I've explained some of your questions.

Start HCG 1 week into your cycle.

It doesn't matter, you're splitting hairs now.

Do your final Test Enan show, wait 12 days, do 2 1,500ius HCG shots and then begin PCT when the 12 days is up.

[madalinvicu]

Please read what I said again, I've explained some of your questions.

Start HCG 1 week into your cycle.

It doesn't matter, you're splitting hairs now.

Do your final Test Enan show, wait 12 days, do 2 1,500ius HCG shots and then begin PCT when the 12 days is up.

I asked because i read this:
9) Can I use HCG during cycle and when?
Yes you can, imo to best benefit from HCG is to run it by the last 3-4 weeks of your steroid cycle. Do not run HCG if you're getting signs of gyno, HCG will make it worst, so be careful."

this is what im confusing.

[Admin]

I asked because i read this:
9) Can I use HCG during cycle and when?
Yes you can, imo to best benefit from HCG is to run it by the last 3-4 weeks of your steroid cycle. Do not run HCG if you're getting signs of gyno, HCG will make it worst, so be careful."

this is what im confusing.

Run HCG all the way through your cycle, not at the end.

You shouldn't get signs of gyno. If you do, you have Tamox (Nolva) on hand and can increase your Arimidex dose.

[madalinvicu]

Run HCG all the way through your cycle, not at the end.

You shouldn't get signs of gyno. If you do, you have Tamox (Nolva) on hand and can increase your Arimidex dose.

so at the end my cycle should be:
test e week 1-12 500mg
arimidex week 1-14 0.25 or 0.50 eod
t-bol or var- week 1-5 - 5o mg
hcg week 1-14 1000.u.i week 1-12 week 12-14 500 u.i eod and last 2 shot 1500
than pct nolva and clomid

is ok?

[Admin]

so at the end my cycle should be:
test e week 1-12 500mg
arimidex week 1-14 0.25 or 0.50 eod
t-bol or var- week 1-5 - 5o mg
hcg week 1-14 1000.u.i week 1-12 week 12-14 500 u.i eod and last 2 shot 1500
than pct nolva and clomid

is ok?

Start with 0.25mg/EOD and see how sides are. Check water retention and blood pressure.

No orals, I dont like them. Bad side effects on cholesterol, live, kidneys.

If this is your first cycle you dont need an oral.

[madalinvicu]

Start with 0.25mg/EOD and see how sides are. Check water retention and blood pressure.

No orals, I dont like them. Bad side effects on cholesterol, live, kidneys.

If this is your first cycle you dont need an oral.

ok no orals but a good first stak ?

[Admin]

ok no orals but a good first stak ?

You dont need orals, Test Enan on its own is fine. It doesn't take 7 weeks to start working like you read on the internet, your strength, weight and muscle mass will start to increase after the first week.

[Admin]

When does your cycle start?

[madalinvicu]

You dont need orals, Test Enan on its own is fine. It doesn't take 7 weeks to start working like you read on the internet, your strength, weight and muscle mass will start to increase after the first week.

Yes this is what i read , and also i read something like hcg take for long time can desensilize your cells, is 12 week a sure long time to take hcg?

[Admin]

Yes this is what i read , and also i read something like hcg take for long time can desensilize your cells, is 12 week a sure long time to take hcg?

12 weeks is fine, you should take a break from it every 16-20 weeks IMO, but you're not running it that long.