Begginer focused on strenght / lean mass

[mpwlift]

I did a breif description of myself and what I am expecting of a cycle in the "New Members" section just in case anyone wanna know stats, training history, cycles history, etc. Here is the link: http://forums.steroidal.com/new-memb...wbie-here.html

At same time I ask for help on planifying a cycle where my goals are more related to gain lean mass, strenght and a moderate to small weight increase as I train for strenght/power/ rather than size (think about a mix of a weightlifter and a powerlifter). After researching steroids profiles and reading many other suggestions I am considering test/equip and see how it was. On the other hand mr. Warmouth suggest test/var that opens my mind to a possible test/winny too. Will do it for 8 weeks to see how my body reacts as my last cycle was years ago now I am totally clean.
Of course I know tren fits perfect for my needs (lot of strenght + iron lean muscle) but I prefer taking my time adapting my body to milder options/stacks before trying it.

Let´s listen to some other opinions... Thanks!

[Admin]

Please post your stats in this thread so members can help you here.

Thanks

[mpwlift]

No prob Admin... here we go:

I am 33, 5'10 and 188lbs , 17% bf. I used to do oly lifting for years but now as i am getting old I just keep training to improve strenght and overall conditioning (lot of squats, dl, bp, pullups and presses). For u to understand the training style, think about a mix between an oly weightlifter and a powerlifter... so hard but pleasant
Although I ´ve not been taking steroids (until now ), my diet is well balanced and as I dont train for size (avoiding to ret water due to sarcoplasmic hypertrophy) I have a small but solid shape.

[warmouth]

If you don't have many cycles under your belt, but have some experience, test only is really good. Some anavar or Winstrol added is good too. And if tren scares you, just hold off. I used to be terrified of it and took me years to pull the trigger. But once I did, there was nothing to fear. Just takes some getting used too.

[warmouth]

I'll also add this. A test only cycle can be used to bulk, cut or recomp. Adjust your diet accordingly and let the magic happen.

[mpwlift]

So if i decide to add the oral (being anavar or winstrol) , can they be sustained though all 8 weeks or better to add it only 5/6 weeks ? In that case is better to put them from the start (1 to 6) or at the end (3 to 8).
About the test , as i am not scared of pins , probable test p is a better option for its fastest in/out rate that lowers water ret possibility. A I right with this ?

[warmouth]

I am with you on the test p. I like to get quick results and off cycle quick. I prefer everyday shots, but it does get to be a pain. Every other day is fine. As far as the oral, I run anavar the full 8 weeks in on the test p. As for winstrol, I don't run it more than 6 weeks. I prefer it the last 6 weeks for the drying out effects (even if it's a mental thing). I would for sure run a liver support of some kind, except milk thistle. Only way I would consider milk thistle is if you bought raws in bulk and took like 7-10 grams a day, which would be aweful! NAC or TUDCA are both good choices. Since NAC can be bought anywhere, I usually stick to that. And yes, AI for sure. What doses and pinning schedule are you planning to run?

[Admin]

wk 1-8 Test Prop 100mg/EOD
wk 1-8 Anavar 50mg/ED
wk 1-8 Aromasin 12.5mg/ED
wk 2-8 HCG 500ius 2x per week

I like Advanced Cycle Support by IML too on cycle.

[Admin]

As a second cycle, you could go again with the same TP dosage and duration and add Tren Ace and change Var for Winstrol.

[mpwlift]

wk 1-8 Test Prop 100mg/EOD
wk 1-8 Anavar 50mg/ED
wk 1-8 Aromasin 12.5mg/ED
wk 2-8 HCG 500ius 2x per week

I like Advanced Cycle Support by IML too on cycle.

I was thinking on something like that. The fact is that since yesterday I am trying to get a solid source for Var (mine does not have it nor pharmacies, so black market is the only choise and Var is one really difficult to find here) so as I wanna start next month, will search for a few more days. If no luck, will drop it and put winstrol 40mg/ED or 50mg/ED.

No need of a SERM during cycle ? Just the AI ? I though in 20mg/ED of Nolva for the 8 weeks.

Then for the PCT, apart from HCG and Aromasin, do I need both Nolva and Clomid for the first 2 weeks or can run Nolva alone at 40mg/ED on wk 1-2 and continue with 20mg/ED for wk 3-4 ?

Admin, about ur suggestion on Advanced Cycle Support from IML, did u checked Cycle Support from Iron Labs Nutrition ? Seems lot similar but even with higher doses and lower price.

[mpwlift]

...NAC or TUDCA are both good choices. Since NAC can be bought anywhere, I usually stick to that. And yes, AI for sure. What doses and pinning schedule are you planning to run?

Warmouth, what about pharmacy grade silimarin and tioctic acid for the liver ? Here almost all guys on cycle takes this as primary liver protectors. Milk thistle here is only available raw... no capsules nor liquid form.

[Admin]

I was thinking on something like that. The fact is that since yesterday I am trying to get a solid source for Var (mine does not have it nor pharmacies, so black market is the only choise and Var is one really difficult to find here) so as I wanna start next month, will search for a few more days. If no luck, will drop it and put winstrol 40mg/ED or 50mg/ED.

No need of a SERM during cycle ? Just the AI ? I though in 20mg/ED of Nolva for the 8 weeks.

Then for the PCT, apart from HCG and Aromasin, do I need both Nolva and Clomid for the first 2 weeks or can run Nolva alone at 40mg/ED on wk 1-2 and continue with 20mg/ED for wk 3-4 ?

Admin, about ur suggestion on Advanced Cycle Support from IML, did u checked Cycle Support from Iron Labs Nutrition ? Seems lot similar but even with higher doses and lower price.

No SERM during cycle, only PCT.

Yes, Nolva would work fine like that.

wk 1-6 Tamox 20mg/ED (40mg/ED week 1)
wk 1-6 Clomid 25mg/ED

Yes on the cycle support too.

[mpwlift]

No SERM during cycle, only PCT

Just to understand why sometimes yes and sometimes not to use a SERM on cycle, could u please explain what determines the yes/no diversity?
I thought, and read on almost every cycle, that Nolva is always suporting from wk 1 in low dosis (20mg/ED). Is it because of the use of the AI instead that both are not necessary? (Even when stacked they work fine)

Thanks

[Admin]

Just to understand why sometimes yes and sometimes not to use a SERM on cycle, could u please explain what determines the yes/no diversity?
I thought, and read on almost every cycle, that Nolva is always suporting from wk 1 in low dosis (20mg/ED). Is it because of the use of the AI instead that both are not necessary? (Even when stacked they work fine)

Thanks

I wrote this years ago which is also stickied at the top of this forum.

http://forums.steroidal.com/anabolic...hen-cycle.html

Please take the time to read our articles here, there is A LOT of information here and on the main site Anabolic Steroids - Steroidal .com.

[mpwlift]

I wrote this years ago which is also stickied at the top of this forum.

http://forums.steroidal.com/anabolic...hen-cycle.html

Please take the time to read our articles here, there is A LOT of information here and on the main site Anabolic Steroids - Steroidal .com.

Sorry admin if was not clear. I already read that article, read the hcg importance on cycle too, but my doubt is related to why in some cases both are used and sometimes just ai. I completely understand the importance of ai and its relation to estrogen creation. I always try to read befor asking but this time could not get anything that clarifies my need. Thanks anyway.