Warmouths Chemistry Corner: Homemade Brews Q&A

[warmouth]

First off, if this topic is frowned upon by Admin or staff, feel free to delete. I just have been missing discussions about potions and solutions, and pushing the envelop for new ideas to learn and to share.

Have you ever wanted to try out brewing your own gear? Does it intrest you to create new mixes and higher doses? Do you ever wonder what is really in those beautiful little vials? If so, then this is the place to come! We don't have a forum for homebrew yet, but until we do, maybe we can bounce some ideas back and forth and argue about how many MGs of testosterone enanthate we can get to hold in solution with no fear of crashing. The answer I have found is 600. Would I pin Test E dosed at 600mgs? HELL to the NO! 500mgs crippled me for days.

I'm a huge geek when it comes to brewing. Whether trying new and exotic oils, solvents, AAS, suspensions, etc, I live for it! I have a ball tinkering around and have done some pretty impressive brews. Some are unusable, some are way better than expected. It's a little side hobby of mine playing kitchen chemistry, but sometimes you will end up with nectar designed for the gods. With trial comes error. With error comes breakthrough. I've brewed most everything under the sun. I don't use a lot of it, as some compounds just don't intrest me. But if anyone has questions regarding homebrew, just ask! No matter the question, I'll bet we can get you an answer you're after. It's alot of fun if you like risk. Now that brings me to this:

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[warmouth]

Well.....
Here is an interesting brew I accomplished and am very proud of. I successfully combined a mixture of 100mgs of NPP and 100mgs of masteron P with no issues. No crashing. It is smooth as silk and will run right through a 27g pin. Brewed it 3 days ago, so I know it's going to stay stable, and tested it out a few minutes ago just to assess possible PIP. Odds are I won't actually use it because I'm not fond of blends. But alot if people are. So, at doses this high in a blend, it is much more appealing to me. I will post tommorrow about any disomfort I might experience. I think it's going to be all good.
Also, tonight I made up yet another blend. It's the typical cut stack of tren/mast/test p. It is dose as following: tren 75mgs/mast 75mgs/ Test p 50mgs. Now if this holds (and I suspect it will), this would be something I would definitely use. I prefer the test in the 25mg range, but I wanted to push it to see how far I could take it. As I like ED injections with my short esters, this would be a fantastic blend based on the doses. I think for ED use, the best bet would be tren 50-75/mast 100-125/test p 25.

[MDS1]

This subject is something I am very interested in. Nice post.

I have absolutely no experience of home brewing, and only know a little bit of how it is done - and no idea what equipment is needed. I am currently in the camp of "I don't use a hell of a lot of stuff myself, would it be worth the investment?" that said, if I could guarantee the quality and mg per ml of testosterone and trenbolone, I would certainly give it some serious consideration, as the Steroids I use these days are all from underground Labs - with no definate certainty of contents.

My limited understanding of home brew and it's stability is dependent on the quality and purity of the base powder, is this correct?

Also is the initial equipment outlay.... is it financially viable for personal home use?

(Note to Admin: if these questions are inappropriate for general viewing on the Forum, please delete, I will message Warmouth privately)
Thanks Guys!

[warmouth]

The purity of powder is like the purity of a UGL finished product. If you trust the source, then have at. There are fakes with anything, bUT generally speaking, a powder source is typically more legit, as powders are much cheaper than finished product. It can still be faked. But if the source is pretty well known, it's a general rule of thumb that it is good to go.

As far as the equipment goes. If you're like me, and brew enough for yourself (I brew alot for myself), a simple, easy, and reliable set up is going to run you about as much as a finished vial of tren would. So it is very cost effective and easy to do. There really is no guess work to it.

[Admin]

You can discuss this, its cool, but not large amounts of homebrewing or on a large scale (not that you will).

[warmouth]

Thanks Admin!

[warmouth]

Ok guys. I felt like I should give a basic list as to materials needed for basic recipes. These will be items that are musts for every oil based injectable.

Pyrex or similar vessel X2
50-60ml syringes
20ml syringes
1-3ml syringes
Needles anywhere from 18-23ga (I prefer 18 throughout the process)
Benzyl benzoate
Benzyl alcohol
Oils- this can be grapeseed oil (gso), cottonseed oil (cso), ethyl oleate (EO), sesame oil, safflower oil, mct oil, sunflower oil, and even vegetable oil.
Filter of choice. I use a syringe filter because I only brew small amounts. This can still be time consuming still. There is a method we use that's called the Caulk Gun Method. It's much easier!

Various sterile vials. I use sealed vials, but you can use open vials with a crimper. I find it easier to be more sterile with the sealed vials, ONLY because I make such small amounts. If I did alot, I wouldnt think twice about other options, even with filters.

These are the basics, and can cover just about anything you want to brew (oil based wise). I have used GSO for a long time, as well as EO, but now I'm more prone to use CSO or safflower just because that's what pharmaceutical grade typically consists of. The use of EO can make the carrier much thinner, which is easier injections. It also allows for a higher concentrated dose of whatever you want to make up. It can also be blended with other oils to help thin it down, or used as the complete carrier for the hormone.

[MDS1]

Ok, I'm definately up for having a go at this.

To recap: I need to acquire the following - Benzyl Benzoate, Benzyl Alcohol, and pharmaceutical grade Grapeseed/Cottonseed oil. I don't foresee any problems with getting those.

I like Test prop the best, and from what I can gather it's maximum concentration is 100mg per ml. Is this correct? If I get 10g of Raw powder I can expect 10 vials of finished product? Seems like a go-er to me, but I am still not sure what the correct process is to actually brew it. Someone like you with first hand knowledge and experience of Home Brews is very useful indeed.

So any more information you are able to share..... I'm all ears

[warmouth]

Dude, the process is absolutley simple. Once you have the items, it takes about 30 minutes total, then onto filtration. That can take time, but with a caulk gun, you won't have the cramps of filtering by hand. No need for pharmaceutical grade oil. Just get it from the supermarket. It'll be filtered, so no worries. You can prefilter it with a .45 micron filter, then the standard .2 micron for the final step. Make sure to use the .2 micron, as this filters everything as far as can be. I have successfully had test P hold at 200mgs/ml, but the PIP was a bit much. Plus, you have to use EO to get it in solution at that dose. MCT may hold it too. I usually run 150mg/ml on my test P, and the PIP isn't much worse than 100mg/ml. Plus, I think it can be brewed without the EO, but I couldn't guarantee that. I'll use 100% EO on any short ester over 100mg/ml. I can PM you step by step instructions. No problem.

[MDS1]

Thanks Warmouth, I will ask for directions/instructions via PM when I have researched raw materials further

One quick question though, I have sourced a supply of sealed sterile 10ml Vials, (this may sound dumb) how do you fill the sealed vials with finished product?

[warmouth]

All you do is load up a syringe full of finished product (I use a 60ml because I filter with a caulk gun), attach a syringe filter to the syringe, put an 18-20mg needle on the filter, insert the needle into the CLEANED top of the vial, then use another needle (20-23ga is fine) as a vent. Basically you'll have 2 needles in the vial, but one of them is a vent to release pressure and allow the oil to flow. I like to pull up about 40mls of finished product into the 60ml syringe and leave about 10 or 15 MLS of just air. This will allow more of the product to go into the vial and not get hung up in the filter. Some say to use 2mls of regular oil to flush the filter, but I find that 10mls of air will flush it fine. I will tell you this, research the Caulk Gun Method for filtering. Don't even waste time trying to filter by hand. I've done it many times, and it never gets easier! It hurts and takes a long time. It used to take me about 4 hours of constant pushing just to filter 100mls. It is so painful. Now since I use the Caulk gun, it might take and hour of me casually going over and squeezing the handle every 5 minutes.

[MDS1]

I'm in need of help here ! I have researched quite a bit on brewing my own kit, the one thing I am struggling with is syringe filters. I will use the Caulk gun approach with a 60ml syringe into sealed sterile 10ml vials (strictly for my own use) but I am a bit lost on what syringe filters to use.

Any guidance and information would be most helpful

[warmouth]

I use the Whatman, but any brand will work. Just make sure to use a sterile .20 micron filter. I would suggest filtering into a 50 or 100ml vial, then transferring to 10ml vials upon completion.

[MDS1]

I think for my first batch, I'm gonna try Test prop at 100mg/ml.

As it's only going to be used by me, is it a feasible idea to filter into 2 x 50ml sterile vials as opposed to ten 10ml vials? is shelf life in larger amounts per vial an issue?
by my reckoning a 50ml vial would last me about six to eight weeks with daily or EOD jabs.

Also, I have used in the past, Test prop from UGL labs which were very painful to administer. I do understand that propionate is well known for this issue with painful injection sites, anything I need to know in brewing to prevent/keep this to a minimum?

Thanks in advance

[warmouth]

Shelf life won't matter either way. I would filter into bigger vials because it would be a pain filtering into 10ml vials. With test prop, alot of guys (myself included) use EO (ethyl oleate) and swear it's pain free. EO is uncomfortable to me, but for most people, it's smooth as silk. For a good and pretty pain free recipe for prop, here is what I would use and I am positive it will be much less pain than you're used to, and no EO is needed:

Test P @100mgs/ml (100mls)
10 grams of test powder
Carrier oil of choice
Benzyl alcohol @ 2 or 3%
Benzyl benzoate @ 10-12%

This will be a fairly thick brew, but that's a good thing. The thinner the oil, the thinner the final product for this particular recipe. Grapeseed or coconut oil may be your thinnest. But any oil you want to use will be fine. I'm really liking safflower oil as of late. Brewing with 10% or less BB has helped take alot of pain away from my injections.