Lets talk TRENBOLONE...

[kubes]

This is correct. See my Trenbolone profile here (specifically, the side effects subsection here Trenbolone Side Effects | Steroidal.com) for more in-depth detailed explanation as to why progestins such as Trenbolone can and does exacerbate the Estrogenic side effects that result from aromatizable AAS such as Testosterone. In the Trenbolone side effects subsection, scroll down to where it says "Progesterone and Prolactin related gynecomastia issues" and read that paragraph. Everything is answered right there.

What you mentioned about Trenbolone throwing lab results off showing high Estrogen I know nothing about. That is the first time I've heard of something like that, to be honest. I can't verify whether or not that is true at this time.

Well it will be interesting to find out about if it throws the labs off or not. I am one of the lucky ones that does not require an AI unless i run higher than 800 mg EW of test. I have ran labs several times and even with T levels at close to 3,500 ng/dl on my low day of my next pin me E had never came back higher than 41. I have added tren to the mix this time a low dose 300 ew to see how i react and in a week i will run labs to make adjustments.

[Dan C]

The other debate out there is that tren doesn't convert to estrogen but causes the test to have more sides? Also the debate that when running tren it can throw labs off and show false high Estrogen reading? Any thoughts?

This is correct. See my Trenbolone profile here (specifically, the side effects subsection here Trenbolone Side Effects | Steroidal.com) for more in-depth detailed explanation as to why progestins such as Trenbolone can and does exacerbate the Estrogenic side effects that result from aromatizable AAS such as Testosterone. In the Trenbolone side effects subsection, scroll down to where it says "Progesterone and Prolactin related gynecomastia issues" and read that paragraph. Everything is answered right there.

What you mentioned about Trenbolone throwing lab results off showing high Estrogen I know nothing about. That is the first time I've heard of something like that, to be honest. I can't verify whether or not that is true at this time.

[kubes]

The other debate out there is that tren doesn't convert to estrogen but causes the test to have more sides? Also the debate that when running tren it can throw labs off and show false high Estrogen reading? Any thoughts?

[warmouth]

ive used 300mg and 600mg before, i got virtually no sides with 300mg, at 600mg i got temperary night sweats and minor aggression. what did it do for my body? question should be what didnt it do! ha

Were your results good at 300mgs?

[warmouth]

You too. Glad you made it over!

[kubes]

Jim is here!

Good to see you friend!!

[warmouth]

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[kubes]

Yes, it is very important to note that Trenbolone must be utilized PROPERLY in order to see its effects really shine through. It seems as though Trenbolone has received a reputation that it is the ultimate magical compound that is the nectar of the Gods (and rightly so). HOWEVER, people take this into a completely different context and instead think it means that Trenbolone will work no matter what the individual's training and nutrition is like, which is of course, wrong. It goes without saying that whether or not it is Trenbolone or any other anabolic steroid, it needs to be used properly.

I also find that with Trenbolone (and with all AAS in general), people tend to have expectations that are in fact too high. Trenbolone is powerful, yes, but it is not going to provide unrealistic gains and/or physique changes. The same thing is said for ALL anabolic steroids.

Yes and nothing puts mass on me like a nice dose of test! I like the tren as well but just not the mega doses

[Dan C]

Yes, it is very important to note that Trenbolone must be utilized PROPERLY in order to see its effects really shine through. It seems as though Trenbolone has received a reputation that it is the ultimate magical compound that is the nectar of the Gods (and rightly so). HOWEVER, people take this into a completely different context and instead think it means that Trenbolone will work no matter what the individual's training and nutrition is like, which is of course, wrong. It goes without saying that whether or not it is Trenbolone or any other anabolic steroid, it needs to be used properly.

I also find that with Trenbolone (and with all AAS in general), people tend to have expectations that are in fact too high. Trenbolone is powerful, yes, but it is not going to provide unrealistic gains and/or physique changes. The same thing is said for ALL anabolic steroids.

[kubes]

Good question...

I didn't mean it as something cutting edge per se, I meant it so gains are made and side effects are minimal. Slowly increasing the doses and avoiding abuse. Drop it if sides become evident and cant be controlled.

Agreed so much hype out there about low test and high tren. I tried it and didn't like it at all! i do way better with higher test and lower tren. Granted if i was cutting to real low body fat it would make more sense i think?

[Admin]

What do you consider correctly?

Good question...

I didn't mean it as something cutting edge per se, I meant it so gains are made and side effects are minimal. Slowly increasing the doses and avoiding abuse. Drop it if sides become evident and cant be controlled.

[kubes]

Trenbolone is a remarkable compound and what it can do is nothing sort of magic if used correctly.

What do you consider correctly?

[Admin]

I've used up to 2,000 mg/wk.

There were no notable side effects at first.....but eventually Prolactin got out of control.....the AI I was using was no longer working to inhibit the Prolactin (as per the long feedback mechanism) But it didnt take long to re-gain control with some Prami. Other than that.......I've never had any problems.

Tren has been the single most powerful weapon in my arsenal........with it I packed on about 40 lbs of muscle in a little over a year.

I intend to add Masteron & HGH next.........& take my body into untouched realms.............lol

Trenbolone is a remarkable compound and what it can do is nothing sort of magic if used correctly.

[BEAR]

Who's used it?

What's your highest dose?

Did you experience any side effects?

What did it do for your body?

I've used up to 2,000 mg/wk.

There were no notable side effects at first.....but eventually Prolactin got out of control.....the AI I was using was no longer working to inhibit the Prolactin (as per the long feedback mechanism) But it didnt take long to re-gain control with some Prami. Other than that.......I've never had any problems.

Tren has been the single most powerful weapon in my arsenal........with it I packed on about 40 lbs of muscle in a little over a year.

I intend to add Masteron & HGH next.........& take my body into untouched realms.............lol

[warmouth]

75mg Trenbolone with 100mg Testosterone HANDS DOWN! Anavar is an amazing compound itself, but for your goals and purposes, Trenbolone is key. As you get closer to your goal, you can try to toy around with Anavar but I would save that for only closer to the end. Trenbolone will be the workhorse that should carry your way.

REALLY! Thank you. I can always ramp the tren to 100mgs eod if everything is smooth after 2 weeks. Ive been toying with tons of AAS just to be able to give perspective on them (Im a TRT patient, so I can ). Tren is just one I really respect and need to be able to say Ive ran it. Tren it is!