Lets talk TRENBOLONE...

[Dan C]

Anyone notice much difference in side effects with Enanthate compared to Acetate?

There SHOULDN'T be, but some people are insistent... but they never look at all the facts and factors before making a conclusion.

[kubes]

There SHOULDN'T be, but some people are insistent... but they never look at all the facts and factors before making a conclusion.

I guess I am proof

[TroN]

Anyone ever use trenbolone no ester?

[DrBPackenwood]

the more i read about it, the more i wanna try tren...

[kubes]

the more i read about it, the more i wanna try tren...

Do you have any experience with prolactin sides?

[DrBPackenwood]

Do you have any experience with prolactin sides?

no..

[kubes]

Just make sure you have ancillary's on hand before starting

[Dan C]

Just make sure you have ancillary's on hand before starting

THis is an absolute rule that goes for EVERYTHING!!! All cycles!

[warmouth]

THis is an absolute rule that goes for EVERYTHING!!! All cycles!

You're right Dan and jim couldn't have said it better. Maybe a sticky regarding the matter should be in the future, or a thread we bump regularly.

[Dan C]

Oh you can be absolutely certain that I will be making a sticky about that at some point. On the old forum one of the things I got constantly fed up and pissed off with was the sheer amount of people who would start a thread saying "HELP! GYNO 2 WEEKS INTO CYCLE AND I DON'T HAVE MY NOLVADEX YET!" because they were too eager to start their cycle and they rushed it, starting everything before they had all their ancillaries on hand. Even if your stuff is on its way, or your source is grabbing it for you, you have no clue if your stuff might get lost in the mail, seized, or your in-person source might have a small hiccup or delay in getting everything for you. Even in many of the articles I've written on the main site, I emphasize that AAS use is never something that should be rushed.

Actually, I make a solid point of these things in this article: Steroid Cycles | Steroidal.com

- Very important: Ensure all appropriate drugs, ancillary drugs/compounds (such as SERMS, AIs, etc.), support supplements and all necessary components required for the cycle are within possession prior to beginning. The internet, gyms, and the whole world is full of individuals who were too impatient to begin anabolic steroid use prior to making sure that all components were in possession prior to starting. Without all components (including the full amount of anabolic steroid(s) required for a full cycle), individuals will generate a high risk of encountering side effects that cannot be dealt with due to the lack of components as a result of rushing into a cycle. Many individuals have developed full gynecomastia (breast tissue) as a result of beginning a cycle prior to holding any SERMS or AIs in possession in the event that gynecomastia becomes an issue.
These are all basic preliminary considerations that are especially important for beginners to anabolic steroid use, but they also apply to all 3 tiers of users (beginner, intermediate, and advanced).

[kubes]

Ancillary's and pct meds before you start

[Admin]

Ancillary's and pct meds before you start

Exactly!

ALWAYS have Nolvadex or Rolaxifene on hand, regardless of what you're cycling. You should always have a stock of PCT meds, Clomid, Tamox or Toremifene.

Use HCG on cycle, or at point along the way.

Always use an AI when estrogen can increase.

Simple rules...

[PitbullTank]

Who's used it?

What's your highest dose?

Did you experience any side effects?

What did it do for your body?

700mg ace/week back a few years ago...bp shot wayy up, started having nosebleeds under heavy sets of squats or deads ...sweat all the fuckin time(during sex a few girls were actaully like- wtfff?! lol) .....but i looked the best of my life as well sitting around 5'9.5" 220ish 7%ish.... my diet and trainign were off though...one day i may try out tren again i just dont think its necessary anymore...imo sitting at 7% and suffering sides isnt worth it when i can sit at 9% or so without it... id rather stick to test, something that raises igf and gh serum, and slin when the time comes...then just add in sum tren or whatever for a few weeks before vacation, photoshoot, comp, etc...just my opinion...

[PitbullTank]

Why would you try to remain THAT lean year round? Not looking to gain any decent mass?

if you can please explain how adding bodyfat% somehow increases muscle building, we can have a good debate

[PitbullTank]

Never said it does but no professional body builder in history has gained every single pound they possible could on cycle without adding on that bodyfat. Comes with the super high macro intake to make the most of the anabolic state. And to make the most of all of the gear too. Including insulin, I'd love to see someone use the amout of insulin pro's do without adding lbs. um... The amout of dextrose (or just plain table sugar) needed is so high it's unavoidable. How do you think pros starting adding 20lbs to stage weight in one off season? Didn't do it by concerning themselves with being under 10% that's for sure.

u dodged that question like mayweather did manny lol....

ohhh, now you know what every pro bodybuilder in history has looked like in their offseason??? thats amazing man...