Teenage First Cycle Help (Patellar Tracking Disorder + Deca)

[warmouth]

Or am I better off looking further into GH? Im also not rushing into this as I plan to wait untill the start of 2014 to give rehab a little bit more time and really discuss everything properly

Hmmmm.........Really good question here. GH alone might be enough to have some benefit, without compromising the HPTA. However, Dan and Admin would have to chime in here. I bet similar results could happen with GH and pulses of anavar(or the likes), but I cant be too sure. Anavar is excellent at promoting collagen synthesis. And GH is just a miracle in itself.

[Admin]

Protecting your HPTA should be a very important aspect of your choice of drugs here. I absolutely don't suggest Deca-Durabolin at your age. This isn't an extreme case where its use is warranted at such a young age, such as HIV, AIDS or other muscle wasting diseases.

My advice is Winstrol or Anavar alone for 5-6 weeks. Winstrol 50mg/EOD or Anavar 50mg/ED, then see how it affect you positively. This was you're protecting your HPTA from more serious suppressive compounds, such as exogenous Testosterone and Deca.

You can help your knee but at the sacrifice of your HPTA and end up on hormone replacement therapy for the rest of your life. All of the options here need to be properly laid out and discussed.

Exogenous HGH is also an option, but again you may cause yourself damage, although I think less so than using the more inhibitive anabolic steroids. If you go that route, I'd pay the extra for pharmaceutical grade HGH.

[Peaky-Mike]

I'll do some more research into HGH Winny and Anavar I really want to avoid any permanent damage. Just a quick question, are shorter cycles eg. 4-6 weeks in comparison to 8-10 weeks going to have a less inhibitive effect, or does it not matter much because my test will be just as low either way? Hope that makes sense would HGH and Winny at loww doses be an option also?As the use of the HGH on top of the winny isnt going to further damage the HPTA? Thanks heaps for the info so far guys

[warmouth]

I'll do some more research into HGH Winny and Anavar I really want to avoid any permanent damage. Just a quick question, are shorter cycles eg. 4-6 weeks in comparison to 8-10 weeks going to have a less inhibitive effect, or does it not matter much because my test will be just as low either way? Hope that makes sense would HGH and Winny at loww doses be an option also?As the use of the HGH on top of the winny isnt going to further damage the HPTA? Thanks heaps for the info so far guys

Yes. Shorter cycle should in theory be easier to bounce back from due to the duration you are being suppressed. This is being learned and taught by most now in BBing. GH, if you can find the pharma grade, would be better for your HPTA due to the feedback loop NOT having anything to do with your testes. However, it is commonly faked and you need to know for sure.

[Peaky-Mike]

Yes. Shorter cycle should in theory be easier to bounce back from due to the duration you are being suppressed. This is being learned and taught by most now in BBing. GH, if you can find the pharma grade, would be better for your HPTA due to the feedback loop NOT having anything to do with your testes. However, it is commonly faked and you need to know for sure.

Would 4 weeks be enough to see some real benifits? Minimum risk is important so the shorter the better I guess

This might sound like a stupid question, but do you guys think there is any chance I could get a prescription? then I'll know im getting good gear. Is HGH reasonably easy to get a prescription for? And am i going to be able to get a large enough dose of HGH through prescription to help? Ive heard you need to take a fair bit of the stuff. Im seeing my doctor sometime during the next week so then I'll know for sure but still, what do you guys think?

Obviously if I opt for Winny it'll be a different story though

[Admin]

Would 4 weeks be enough to see some real benifits? Minimum risk is important so the shorter the better I guess

This might sound like a stupid question, but do you guys think there is any chance I could get a prescription? then I'll know im getting good gear. Is HGH reasonably easy to get a prescription for? And am i going to be able to get a large enough dose of HGH through prescription to help? Ive heard you need to take a fair bit of the stuff. Im seeing my doctor sometime during the next week so then I'll know for sure but still, what do you guys think?

Obviously if I opt for Winny it'll be a different story though

I think obtaining a prescription for HGH for your goals of collagen increases is going to be problematic, but I don't know what your doctor is like... Its usually prescribed for hormone replacement, but is also prescribed for medical conditions.

[warmouth]

I think obtaining a prescription for HGH for your goals of collagen increases is going to be problematic, but I don't know what your doctor is like... Its usually prescribed for hormone replacement, but is also prescribed for medical conditions.

I agree with this. If your specialist is on board with your pursuit of cycling, then maybe you can suggest him to write the prescription. He has to know GH is much safer on your endocrine system than AAS. I'd say its worth a shot to ask him.

[Dan C]

I think all the input here is great, it is helping to really narrow down the best choices for Peaky-Mike. The prescription of HGH for anything other than pituitary deficient dwarfism being frowned upon is really a uniquely American thing. The OP is from Australia, and while I don't know how strict they are in regards to the valid accepted uses of HGH, it is ultimately up to the doctor and how well he can pull it off if he wants to. I say it shouldn't hurt for him to approach his physician about it, and considering how open his physician was to AAS therapy, I don't think this should be a longshot. I think it would demonstrate things even better to the physician when Peaky-Mike mentions the concerns and risks that I and everyone else here advised him of.

[warmouth]

I think all the input here is great, it is helping to really narrow down the best choices for Peaky-Mike. The prescription of HGH for anything other than pituitary deficient dwarfism being frowned upon is really a uniquely American thing. The OP is from Australia, and while I don't know how strict they are in regards to the valid accepted uses of HGH, it is ultimately up to the doctor and how well he can pull it off if he wants to. I say it shouldn't hurt for him to approach his physician about it, and considering how open his physician was to AAS therapy, I don't think this should be a longshot. I think it would demonstrate things even better to the physician when Peaky-Mike mentions the concerns and risks that I and everyone else here advised him of.

I would like to add that I am way out of my comfort zone here due to the condition he has. I will leave the input for you guys, as all I can do is speak on what I know of regarding compounds. I am in no way in any position to assist in this, as you all know, but I am learning from it. So, I will continue following as to not be a distraction for Peaky.

[Peaky-Mike]

I cant thank you guys enough for your input so far and I really appreciate your help

I'll have more of an idea of what my physician will be able to do for me next time I see him which will be soon

From what you guys are saying im leaning towards just leaving everything as it is, the threat of permanant damage to my HPTA is really concerning me and i guess theres also a chance that it wont actualy fix the issue if I dont pull it off.

My only concern with HGH is that it may not actually fix anything. It will help the inflammation and strengthen the connective tissue, tendons, ligaments etc. But it may not be enough to pack the mass back on the vastus medialis (tear drop), and if that isnt achieved then the quad will still a severe imbalance as the tear drop is very weak and has some serious atrophy. If my quad isnt balanced then I'll still have the irregular pull to the stronger side.

So whatever compound I start using must be highly anabolic because I find it veryyyy difficult to actually stimulate the area, due to that negative feedback loop*which actually kills the activation in that area. So the hope was that:

1. The inflamatation would come down
2. As the inflamation came down, the pain would to, allowing for betterr stimulation work in the quad
3. Hopefully the stimulation would be enough the put the mass on and the area would strengthen around the new symmetrical joint, effectively setting it in place

So if there isnt sufficent anabolic support, for the little activation I'll be getting or im not able to get the stimulation in the area due to the feedback loop killing the activation then its a pointless execise

would the GH be able to support those kind of gains in the area in such a short amount of time?

The rehab needling/electric shock stuff and stimulation stuff im doing with my specialist will hopefully inprove my activation and then I'll have a better chance of this all being successful

I just cant train my legs like I used to in the meantime and hopefully everything stays in place

I'll keep you guys right up to date on everything as I see my specialist and physician, hopefully theres a chance of prescriptions in which case the risk is a bit more controlled

[warmouth]

Ill say another thing or 2 here. GH is not a short term thing, as some AASs can be(orals, short esters, etc) and if a longer term solution. It can assist with mass, but it isn't a fast acting or a short term solution. In your case, 4ius to start while ramping up would be the most beneficial for mass, the cost would be great. Id say it would take 6 months or up to a year to achieve what you are looking for it to do. I could be wrong, and GH is something I am soon to dabble in and know first hand.