Ok, This is it! First part of the Blast Planned. TREN!

[warmouth]

Ok, after so much confidence I have recieved from some of you members, I am finally about to start Tren. Been a long time coming. It has scared me, but I know torespect it. Lets hope my wife can tolerate me Here is the plan, and this is part 1 of a pretty long blast and cruise. Let me know what you guys think:

Week 1-8
Test C @125mgs Weekly (just my TRT dose, so no extra test here, just an add on of other stuff)
Tren A @ 75mgs EOD (If sides are tolerated well the first 2 weeks, I plan to bump to either 100mgs EOD, or 50mgs ED)

Weeks 7-12
Anavar @80mgs ED, along side my TRT dose of 125mgs Test C

Cabergoline will be used @ 1mgs split mondays and thursdays for throughout this cycle, and for a long time afterwards. I find no reason to stop right now being that it has helped me in many ways. Ive spoken to a couple of Drs and they have convinced me that there is little risk in running it for extended periods. Heck, 1mgs is a fraction of what it is intended for, and the intended people are on it forever.

Note* -I do realize this is not a typical cycle plan. The reason for me to use anavar past the end is do to a few reasons. For one, I want to assess the comparisons of anavar to tren for my personal body. I also want to see how the tren and anavar react to my body together (the 2 week overlap period). Also, I want the anavar to act somewhat as a "bridge", even though after it ends, I will still take 3-4 weeks off, but I know for certain how anavar reacts to my body, and I know it keeps me looking "on" for quite some time after I stop usage.
The goal of this cycle for me is to add a few lbs of LBM, and the last time I ran anavar with Test P, I added 8Lbs and dropped alot of BF. That was at maintenance calories, maybe 1-200 calories over on some days. I want to drop BF down to under 12% with this plan as well. The way I figure it, I can lean up and look amazing over the summer while it not really being the end goal, just an added benefit. If I can get BF down to under 12%, I will feel much better about my bulk(which is the end goal for this cycle) that I will be doing over the winter.


T3 will also be used the entirely, and dropped low during the cruise, then ramped back up. Please check this protocol and see if it needs tinkering.
Days 1-: 50mcgs
Days 5-8: 75mcgs
Days 9-the end :100mcgs
I tolerate T3 very well. I ramped to 100mcgs the last time within 5 days and stayed there for 3 weeks. I stopped to assess any type of tolerance or lethargy, but all has been well. I feel as is I can go higher, but I need feedback and suggestions. I monitored my temp daily and it never broke 98.2. My temperature runs a tough low(as does my sisters). I wouldnt mind going up to 150mcg, but dont feel any need at all for me to go over that. I noticed a good 1-2%BF drop after the last time,and it seemed to actually make me feel better.

Additional supplements:
1000mcgs B12 (inject, EOD. 5000mcgs sublingual the days inbetween)
4 grams of fish oil
300mgs CoQ10
2 servings of Cholesteroff
1200mgs Red Yeast Rice
600mgs NAC
400 IUs Vitamin E
1000mgs Vitamin C
60mgs Pregnenolone
50mgs DHEA
5000 IUs D3
25mgs Metoprolol (Beta Blocker)
20mgs Lisinopril (BP meds)
12mgs Cialis

This cycle will begin next weekend, maybe the following monday. I will post my proposed diet up in the nutrition section once I calculate my targeted macros and the split I am wanting to start with. I guess this will be my log unless I need to move it. Just let me know if I do. Thanks for reading guys.

[kubes]

What are your goals of this cycle/Blast bro?

[warmouth]

The goal of this cycle for me is to add a few lbs of LBM, and the last time I ran Anavar with Test P, I added 8Lbs and dropped alot of BF. That was at maintenance calories, maybe 1-200 calories over on some days. I want to drop BF down to under 12% with this plan as well. The way I figure it, I can lean up and look amazing over the summer while it not really being the end goal, just an added benefit. If I can get BF down to under 12%, I will feel much better about my bulk(which is the end goal for this cycle) that I will be doing over the winter.

It is in there, but hidden a little amongst the other words, ha ha.

[kubes]

It is in there, but hidden a little amongst the other words, ha ha.

Gotcha i see it now. Yeah i am on board with the low test higher tren idea when you are trying to cut that BF down. Sounds like you have all the ancillary on hand. I was nervous about starting the tren 2 but if you keep the sides at bay you will love the ride. I look forward to reading your log bro!

[warmouth]

Gotcha i see it now. Yeah i am on board with the low test higher tren idea when you are trying to cut that BF down. Sounds like you have all the ancillary on hand. I was nervous about starting the tren 2 but if you keep the sides at bay you will love the ride. I look forward to reading your log bro!

Thanks man. I like just "adding on", especially with new compounds so that I get a feel for them. If all goes well, and I want to use it again, I will use more test. I just love the way high test makes me feel. I feel like a god. I decided I like Deca (nandrolone deconate for Dan C) with equal or more test. I tried it both ways, but felt better with the test a little higher.

[Mini-G]

It's decent. I honestly think you should increase your Test C dose past TRT levels but that's just me. You'll always want more Test than tren in a cycle. Just a guideline anyway. And wtf is cabergoline? I'm assuming its a AI Or something? I'm too lazy to google it ATM so ill just wait til someone pipes up. If it is, great, if not, get some adex or some crap and run half a bit EOD. Up to you anyway. And I don't believe in 'ramping up' or 'coming off' t3... Not because it's personal preference but because you LITERALLY don't have too. Read the article on it on the main site
I'm sure Dan has it included in there.

[Dan C]

Thanks man. I like just "adding on", especially with new compounds so that I get a feel for them. If all goes well, and I want to use it again, I will use more test. I just love the way high test makes me feel. I feel like a god. I decided I like Deca (nandrolone deconate for Dan C) with equal or more test. I tried it both ways, but felt better with the test a little higher.

LOL I love how people catch on to my formal attitude when it comes to the name of compounds. I absolutely HAAATE when people call Nandrolone Decanoate "Deca". Yes, I know it is the most commonly used word, but jeez, it sounds like they're referring to the ester rather than the compound. Same thing when people refer to NPP as "short acting Deca" lol.

By the way I was trying to reply with quote in it, but my stupid mod powers made me mistakenly click on "edit post". That's why your post says it was edited by me lol.

[Dan C]

It's decent. I honestly think you should increase your Test C dose past TRT levels but that's just me. You'll always want more Test than tren in a cycle. Just a guideline anyway. And wtf is cabergoline? I'm assuming its a AI Or something? I'm too lazy to google it ATM so ill just wait til someone pipes up. If it is, great, if not, get some adex or some crap and run half a bit EOD. Up to you anyway. And I don't believe in 'ramping up' or 'coming off' t3... Not because it's personal preference but because you LITERALLY don't have too. Read the article on it on the main site
I'm sure Dan has it included in there.

We actually don't have a T3 profile on the main site yet. I have yet to write it up, but I should be getting to it soon.

Either way, you are 100% correct, there is LITERALLY NO NEED TO RAMP UP OR DOWN T3. The only valid reason to ramp up is to perhaps get a feel for the thermic effect of T3, as some people are quite sensitive to it while others like me need a higher dose before body temperature gets high. You don't want to end up with instant thyroid storm. However, there is no need AT ALL to ramp T3 down for any reason at all. It can be instantly discontinued, which is what should be done so that the body will begin endogenous production of T3... and that can only begin once all exogenous T3 has been removed. The longer you keep the exogenous T3 in your system during the ramping-down period, the longer you will keep your endogenous T3 production suppressed. Essentially, you will end up prolonging your thyroid recovery by ramping down.

[warmouth]

It's decent. I honestly think you should increase your Test C dose past TRT levels but that's just me. You'll always want more Test than tren in a cycle. Just a guideline anyway. And wtf is cabergoline? I'm assuming its a AI Or something? I'm too lazy to google it ATM so ill just wait til someone pipes up. If it is, great, if not, get some adex or some crap and run half a bit EOD. Up to you anyway. And I don't believe in 'ramping up' or 'coming off' t3... Not because it's personal preference but because you LITERALLY don't have too. Read the article on it on the main site
I'm sure Dan has it included in there.

Well, I can start T3 at 100, as I stated. But the biggest reason to add the tren to my trt is to get a feel for the compound, plus, Dan and Link prefer it this way, among alot of others. But I am with you, I love high test. And Caber is a gift from God. It is a prolactin control compound. It really helps sex drive and refraction time. Stuff is unbelievable. It works the same way as prami or bromocriptine,if youre familiar.

[warmouth]

We actually don't have a T3 profile on the main site yet. I have yet to write it up, but I should be getting to it soon.

Either way, you are 100% correct, there is LITERALLY NO NEED TO RAMP UP OR DOWN T3. The only valid reason to ramp up is to perhaps get a feel for the thermic effect of T3, as some people are quite sensitive to it while others like me need a higher dose before body temperature gets high. You don't want to end up with instant thyroid storm. However, there is no need AT ALL to ramp T3 down for any reason at all. It can be instantly discontinued, which is what should be done so that the body will begin endogenous production of T3... and that can only begin once all exogenous T3 has been removed. The longer you keep the exogenous T3 in your system during the ramping-down period, the longer you will keep your endogenous T3 production suppressed. Essentially, you will end up prolonging your thyroid recovery by ramping down.

Thank you. I only ramped the last time because I never used it and needed to monitor my temp. I stayed at 100mcgs and my temp never raised. Does the temperature need to be slightly elevated in order for T3 to work? Athermogenic effect? If I used 100mgs last time and my temp stayed down, should I work up to 150? and do I needto break from it once I run it that high for so long?

[Dan C]

Thank you. I only ramped the last time because I never used it and needed to monitor my temp. I stayed at 100mcgs and my temp never raised. Does the temperature need to be slightly elevated in order for T3 to work? Athermogenic effect? If I used 100mgs last time and my temp stayed down, should I work up to 150? and do I needto break from it once I run it that high for so long?

No it does not, but people's understanding of the thermogenic effects of T3 (or any fat burning drug) is flawed. So many people have the wrong ideas of how this works. Let me lay it out for you:

The heat generation is a function of the drug being used, not the other way around.

This means that the use of T3 is what generates the heat. The heat being generated is not required for T3 to work. T3 generates the heat through an increase of nutrients being utilized by the mitochondria of our body's cells, and when they get metabolized there, the result is heat release. This heat release should be an indication of increased metabolic rate. This is why DNP shoots body temperature into dangerous zones. It's why Clenbuterol increases body temperature, and it's also why T3 does it. There will always be a ceiling limit to how much heat is generated in relation to the dose. If your body temperature goes down to normal ranges while on T3, it might mean something different. The whole process of T3 is extremely complex and quite different from other hormones in the body and other hormones we are commonly used to using.... I really can't describe the whole thing right now, but, there are several factors in how well T3 will work:

- RT3 (Reverse T3)
- Total T3 levels
- Cortisol

Often times if fat burning halts with T3, it is because there is not enough Cortisol in the body to drive T3 into the cells to do its job. You see... T3 requires Cortisol in order to work. Yes, Cortisol is a very necessary hormone! It is not the demon devil hormone it has been made out to be... not anywhere NEAR what people have made it out to be! Eliminating Cortisol through whatever means will result in T3 not doing its job just sitting around in your bloodstream. Cortisol is what could be considered the gatekeeper for T3 to enter a cell and instruct the cell to increase its metabolism. No Cortisol = T3 does not get into a cell to do its job. A big sign that you might have inadequate Cortisol levels while on T3: lethargy and a drop in body temperature back to (or below) normal levels.But I won't get any deeper into detail about this than that. I don't want you starting to freak out thinking you need to micromanage this stuff. You'll end up thinking too much into it, lol.

In general, if T3 isn't doing its job somehow, there are several different reasons as to why that might be, and increasing your dose from 100mcg/day of T3 to 150mcg/day of T3 will do nothing but simply waste more of your stocked up T3.

Oh, and VERY IMPORTANT: If you are going to use T3, stay the sam hell away from L-Carnitine!!! L-Carnitine is, for all intents and purposes, a T3 inactivator. L-Carnitine will COMPLETELY BLOCK T3's job at the cellular level. L-Carnitine is a peripheral antagonist of thyroid hormone action. It inhibits the entry of triiodo thyronine and thyroxine into the cell nuclei. Through a randomized trial, Benvenga et al. showed that 2–4 g of oral L-carnitine per day could reverse hyperthyroid symptoms even in the most serious form of hyperthyroidism: thyroid storm. They suggest that since hyperthyroidism impoverishes the tissue deposits of carnitine, there is a rationale for using L-carnitine at least in certain clinical settings. Incidentally, the fact that carnitine failed to prevent relapses of hyperthyroidism further supports the concept that carnitine action is in the periphery and not in the thyroid gland(1). This is why L-Carnitine is actually used as a medicine for the treatment of hyperthyroidism, because it blocks the activity of T3 at the cellular level without actually reducing the manufacture of T3 in the body.

REFERENCES:
1. "Effects of Carnitine on Thyroid Hormone Action". Benvenga, Salvatore; et al (2004). Ann. N.Y. Acad. Sci. 1033 (1033): 158–167. doi:10.1196/annals.1320.015. PMID 15591013.

[warmouth]

LOL I love how people catch on to my formal attitude when it comes to the name of compounds. I absolutely HAAATE when people call Nandrolone Decanoate "Deca". Yes, I know it is the most commonly used word, but jeez, it sounds like they're referring to the ester rather than the compound. Same thing when people refer to NPP as "short acting Deca" lol.

By the way I was trying to reply with quote in it, but my stupid mod powers made me mistakenly click on "edit post". That's why your post says it was edited by me lol.

I know it is a pet peeve of yours. Everyoneknows what Deca is, but notmany people, off the forum that is, know what nandrolone is. It is like saying your on Cypionate or propionate. There is a guy I know who said he took steroids once and it gave him a kidney stone(had to be removed) and alot of health problems. He said he couldnt sleep, paranoid, chest pain, the list goes on and on. I asked what he was on and he said, "cypionate". LOL! I immediately told him he was just paranoid that it would screw him up and put too much thought into it. When I told him I take "cypionate" all year long for the rest of my life he freaked out.

[warmouth]

Thanksfor that description! Wow. Im printing that one off. Ive been told that a person cant "overdose" on T3, so I havent had a fear of going higher, I just didnt know if it would be more beneficial or not. I know you got up there pretty good one time and I couldnt believe it. I thought T3 could permanently damage the thyroid, but now I know it does more benefit than harm. Do you have any suggestions on duration of using it, or a good "level off" point? I know T3 is loved by so many and that people think of it as a miracle compound. I just dont want to over do anything and if I am to continue to use it, I dont to waste any by not breaking if needed. I am thinking of possible going to 150mcgs. Does it still work enough to burn fat onits own without another thermogenic like clen or albut? I know most people use a stack with T3 with clen, albut, or ECA, but I cannot use Clen, at all, and I am allergic to albuterol. I am not allergic to anything and never have been. I used albuterol for 2 weeks and had some crazy reactions thinking it was nandeca side effects but it was the albut. I stopped it and they immediately subsided.

[Dan C]

T3 is one of the most powerful fat burners out there. It is probably second to DNP. You absolutely do not need Clenbuterol or anything stacked with it for effective results. If you are going to run T3 at anything higher than 50mcg, AAS is required to stave off the catabolic effects, of course. That's common knowledge.

I will say right here and now that T3 will not screw up or "damage" your thyroid gland. I could go into deeper detail regarding this, but I am going to save this explanation for the T3 profile I will eventually write for the main site. All will be explained there. For now, I will say that the whole "T3 will damage your thyroid gland permanently if you use it too long or at too high a dose" IS A MYTH, and it is perhaps the most persistent myth of any compound, EVER! I just cannot believe that this myth/rumor is STILL circulating, and on average not one month goes by where I don't hear "be careful with T3, that stuff is dangerous!" from some lainbrain moron in the gym. The thyroid gland is perhaps the stupidest endocrine gland in the body, it is very slow to catch on to what is happening before it reduces its own output, and it is very quick at restoring its T3 production following cessation of exogenous T3 use. With that being said, however, it is always a very good idea to use it diligently, and what I have mentioned is no excuse to use T3 recklessly, much like everything and anything else.

T3 is very effective at speeding up fat loss, as well as assisting a bulk by increasing the efficiency of the metabolism and nutrient partitioning when in a caloric surplus with AAS.

[warmouth]

Man thats good to know. Cant wait to read the profile. The reason that people think it "will cause permanent damage" is because there isnt any good profiles on it. It blows me away how you say it is so powerful,and probably second to DNP. I would have figured it fairly weak due to not being able to "feel" it or because it doesnt speed you up. While on the subject, and Ive been meaning to ask, are you going to do a DNP profile as well? Ill NEVER do it, but I like reading about it.